Another GA matchmaking post

This is when the challenge of applying the best strategy kicks in. You could have won by saving all your strong ground toons for offense to clear both zones, while still holding your fleet zone. If your opponent had to use multiple attempts on all but 2 of your ground teams, while you couldn't clear his ground zone, it seems like you set a too strong defense. If you hadn't then your strong fleet(s) would actually have won the battle for you.

You're penalized for using a weak strategy - not for having a strong fleet.

Did you use your Bastila counter somewhere else? I see that your ship zone is still there, meaning your ship GP advantage played itself out. Bastila is a great defensive team, but there are some effective counters. Do you have them?

Another example from my current battle (nothing is decided yet. I can still loose, but anyway....):



My opponent lost his first attempt on my fleet (genosians with HT) and probably won't clear it. I cleared his fleet in first attempt. Now, if he doesn't clear my ground zone (the two strongest teams are still standing untouched) he won't win and my strong fleet/ships will then have won the battle for me. I'm not penalized for having strong ships.

(I still have a few strong ground teams to attack and clear more teams - maybe even all of them, maybe not. My opponent put 23 g12s on defense, and has less for offense. I put 13 only on defense, leaving more for offense)

I think you two are missing my point. My strategy aside, we have the same number of teams cleared, same number of territories cleared, and I have more points per ground win. However, my opponent has more total points because clearing the ground territory counts for more. All while having a GP advantage on toons that I can’t compensate for. If ship GP will be weighted equally with toon GP then ship points should also be weighted equally.

To address my strategy, I set mostly mediocre teams and saved all but 1 of my best for offense. And no I don’t have many strong Bastila counters. I’m not worried about losing to someone that has many effective arena teams. I just don’t like getting mismatched every GA (200k-300k disadvantage).

"Scuttlebutt;c-1736989" wrote:
I think you two are missing my point. My strategy aside, we have the same number of teams cleared, same number of territories cleared, and I have more points per ground win. However, my opponent has more total points because clearing the ground territory counts for more.

Clearing the ground zone takes up to 7 teams. Awarding more points makes sense.

Holding my fleet zone only required investment in 5 crew members and ships and another 5 to clear the opponent's fleet. I don't see why that should award the same amount of points as clearing a ground zone. Perhaps in the original format with 3 ground zones with fewer teams it could award the same amount of points (maybe it did. I don't remember).

I still don't think you're penalized for having strong ships.

To address my strategy, I set mostly mediocre teams and saved all but 1 of my best for offense. And no I don’t have many strong Bastila counters. I’m not worried about losing to someone that has many effective arena teams. I just don’t like getting mismatched every GA (200k-300k disadvantage).

Your opponents are clearly the ones with the disadvantage, if they can't clear your ship zone (maybe they could with a different strategy - I cannot say). They have a 200k - 300k disadvantage in ships.

My advice for future battles would be, that if you believe, you can hold your fleet zone, then never mind your ground defense. Do whatever it takes to clear both your opponent's zones. Leaving one strong team on ground defense would be one too many unless you're absoloutely sure, that your opponent doesn't have a counter. (That strategy won me 1st place for my alt in the first full GA).

"Waqui;c-1737020" wrote:

My advice for future battles would be, that if you believe, you can hold your fleet zone, then never mind your ground defense. Do whatever it takes to clear both your opponent's zones. Leaving one strong team on ground defense would be one too many unless you're absoloutely sure, that your opponent doesn't have a counter. (That strategy won me 1st place for my alt in the first full GA).

Thanks for the advice, and I may try it on round 3 if I get a bad matchup. But while we’re speaking in hypotheticals, couldn’t my opponent use a full turtle strategy on the ground and prevent me from taking the ground territory? I would be in the same situation as above (I take fleet territory and he takes ground), and I would still lose.

I think it’s not a big deal.
Just case by case.
In fact, most of my guildmates said fleet is the key.
I agree with them too.
Fleets: only one squad.
“Defeat it or not” could make huge differences.

"Scuttlebutt;c-1737078" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1737020" wrote:

My advice for future battles would be, that if you believe, you can hold your fleet zone, then never mind your ground defense. Do whatever it takes to clear both your opponent's zones. Leaving one strong team on ground defense would be one too many unless you're absoloutely sure, that your opponent doesn't have a counter. (That strategy won me 1st place for my alt in the first full GA).

Thanks for the advice, and I may try it on round 3 if I get a bad matchup. But while we’re speaking in hypotheticals, couldn’t my opponent use a full turtle strategy on the ground and prevent me from taking the ground territory? I would be in the same situation as above (I take fleet territory and he takes ground), and I would still lose.

He could, yes, and if he does, you would have been better off going full turtle yourself and then relying on clearing his fleet and holding your own fleet. That's the challenging aspect of strategizing in GA. Trying to predict your opponent's possible moves, and choosing the strategy with highest chance of success for yourself. No strategy guarantees a victory, however, and overwhelming force is always an advantage.

"Waqui;c-1737221" wrote:


He could, yes, and if he does, you would have been better off going full turtle yourself and then relying on clearing his fleet and holding your own fleet. That's the challenging aspect of strategizing in GA. Trying to predict your opponent's possible moves, and choosing the strategy with highest chance of success for yourself. No strategy guarantees a victory, however, and overwhelming force is always an advantage.

I feel that this statement just furthers my original point. I had a near flawless strategy and execution while only failing to beat 1 defensive team yet still lost. My opponent took far more attacks than I did to win the same number of fights implies that his strategy wasn’t as good as mine.

Again, I don’t mind a challenge, and I don’t mind losing a fair competition, but this just doesn’t feel like a fair competition.

An example of what I’m proposing is to use a weighted system on GP to matchmake. For instance, if ships are 25% of the maximum total points then 25% of ship GP should be added to 75% of toon GP to create my total GA GP.

Just for reference, I like the concept of GA. I just want an improved matchmaking system that isn’t skewed the way it is (I’m in no way advocating for the roster fluff people by the way).

"Scuttlebutt;c-1737374" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1737221" wrote:


He could, yes, and if he does, you would have been better off going full turtle yourself and then relying on clearing his fleet and holding your own fleet. That's the challenging aspect of strategizing in GA. Trying to predict your opponent's possible moves, and choosing the strategy with highest chance of success for yourself. No strategy guarantees a victory, however, and overwhelming force is always an advantage.

I feel that this statement just furthers my original point. I had a near flawless strategy and execution while only failing to beat 1 defensive team yet still lost. My opponent took far more attacks than I did to win the same number of fights implies that his strategy wasn’t as good as mine.

Near flawless strategy? Using a different strategy you would have won.

Again, I don’t mind a challenge, and I don’t mind losing a fair competition, but this just doesn’t feel like a fair competition.

Your opponent cleared a zone that had far more teams than the zone you cleared. For that he was awarded more banners. That seems fair to me.