Hi All,Just wondering if I'm the only one or anyone else thinks that some of the challenge tiers for assault battles are too time-consuming and poorly-designed? I'm an end-game player with most key toons R5 and above, and I'm having difficulties with T3 (and sometimes even T2) of these events. I know they are supposed to be challenging, but the amount of time and investment required seems rather absurd for the rewards.Sith/FO vs JedisSLKR and FO takes approx. 1 hour to finish due to ridiculous speed and hp of enemiesEP DR BSF Malak Vader takes 20 minutes but very unreliable - if you enter wave 8 with low TM you will easily get mowed downBH/Imps vs RebelsBossk-BH need to be R7 and have insanely fast mods to be able to survive wave 1Veers with Starck, Gideon, Piett, and Range can beat this reasonably with arena modsEmpire/Droids vs EwoksI don't think I need to explain this one - T3 is almost impossible for most of us even with R5 toons using the Thrawn BB8 B1 B2 Magna lineup or the HK Chewpio R2 C3 BB8 lineupNS/Phoenix vs SithAnother one which is quite ridiculous - T2 relies heavily on RNG and very delicate play, while T3 is not doable even with R5+ NSI think the Jedi/Ugnaught vs Seps and Rebels/Clones vs Empire events are the only ones which are reasonably achievable at T3 (the latter being slightly RNG-dependent).Key pain points:- Some T3 of these events are not achievable unless you whale out on R7 for all the required toons (even R5 doesn't cut it)- Even if you do manage to beat these events, it takes a ridiculously long amount of time due to 8 waves of extremely tanky enemies- No option to sim the battles even if you have beaten them at 3* previouslyKeen to hear everyone's thoughts.

"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2239378" wrote:if you think you can join a game like this and be able to do the end game content of every faction within 2 years for free, you are clearly mistaken. I don't know why you think this is relevant to the discussion when OP didn't say anything about how long they've been playing this game, but ok. "Itsa_me_Malario;c-2239378" wrote:Sim should only be available for the original 4 difficultiesI do agree with this though. I'm ok with the challenge tiers not being simmable since they're still quite new but it's way past time to make at least the tiers up to the bonus tier (probably even the mythic tier) simmable. The challenge tiers are quite annoying to do sometimes but it is what it is for now"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2239378" wrote:Is it ridiculous that enemies have 1500 speed? Yeah but I don't see them changing that anytime soonI was in CT3 of Places of Power, ended up in wave 8 with only SEE on my side and Qui-Gon on the enemy side. Qui-Gon took 4 turns for every turn my SEE took...so yea it's quite ridiculous and I hope they never implement this kind of speed anywhere ever again.

The only one that is truly egregious is Secrets and Shadows. As far as I am aware, only a handful of people have ever beaten CT3 because it's nearly impossible to get Daka modded with enough health to survive Sid's aoe.

"WookieWookie;c-2239440" wrote:"Kisakee;c-2239428" wrote:For Trooper and Empire versions i always use the same team, again only CT3 by hand and rest full auto:Spoiler (Highlight to read).Snow over Gideon? I thought the point of troopers was to be able to have a fast, relic'd gideon and then eveyone else could be undergeared. I finished C2 with only Gideon above G12.Gideon haven't existed when i made this squad and i got used to it that much that i keep using it.

"WookieWookie;c-2239448" wrote:"StarSon;c-2239441" wrote:The only one that is truly egregious is Secrets and Shadows. As far as I am aware, only a handful of people have ever beaten CT3 because it's nearly impossible to get Daka modded with enough health to survive Sid's aoe.+1 to this as well. I have a R7 Daka, health modded better than my GG just as a QoL to decrease the number of attempts it takes to clear CT2, and it's still usually 3-10 attempts to get Daka standing and cleansed after Sid's AoE. I sincerely doubt even R8 Daka would stand a chance against non-crit, good RNG with DoT resists in CT3. It's really a tease and likely needs tweaked. Would literally pay money to see devs stream hours worth of attempts CT3 SnS, even on a test account with all G8 NS. I think if they all had to beat it with legit mods/stats as a part of their job, we'd see it adjusted.We got them to give us a video of a team of BB8 vs another team of BB8, maybe we can get a video of them beating CT3 with a test account.

Back to OP's point, Challenge Tiers were inherently lazy design, but with good rewards. And yes, CT 2 and 3 rewards are good if you really loot at them. Maybe not as good as CT 1 but still worthwhile if you can.The problem was they just dialed everything up to 11, speed and health in particular. I can use SLKR two turn stun with 530 speed SLKR, and the jedi will get two stun turns, then two more attacks before my slkr gets another turn. Essentially, CT3 they all have like 2k speed and 300k health. So beating CT3 relies on an insane TM engine to counter their speed (EP, troopers, CLS) or some sort of abusive mechanic like SLKR / KRU health stacking.At this point, all but Secrets and Shadows challenge tiers can be beat by developed rosters, but a lot of the fights are super tedious.I know people hate on GC but in GC at least you can move first if you are fast enough.But, in the end, there are a lot of rewards for ABs that weren't there before so that is acceptable.

Assault Battles Challenge Tiers (T2 and T3) Poor Design and QoL

DarthPanda1390
4 years ago
"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2239378" wrote:
if you think you can join a game like this and be able to do the end game content of every faction within 2 years for free, you are clearly mistaken.

I don't know why you think this is relevant to the discussion when OP didn't say anything about how long they've been playing this game, but ok.

"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2239378" wrote:

Sim should only be available for the original 4 difficulties

I do agree with this though. I'm ok with the challenge tiers not being simmable since they're still quite new but it's way past time to make at least the tiers up to the bonus tier (probably even the mythic tier) simmable. The challenge tiers are quite annoying to do sometimes but it is what it is for now

"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2239378" wrote:
Is it ridiculous that enemies have 1500 speed? Yeah but I don't see them changing that anytime soon

I was in CT3 of Places of Power, ended up in wave 8 with only SEE on my side and Qui-Gon on the enemy side. Qui-Gon took 4 turns for every turn my SEE took...so yea it's quite ridiculous and I hope they never implement this kind of speed anywhere ever again.
Persimius
Rising Scout
4 years ago
The only one that is truly egregious is Secrets and Shadows. As far as I am aware, only a handful of people have ever beaten CT3 because it's nearly impossible to get Daka modded with enough health to survive Sid's aoe.
Kisakee
4 years ago
"WookieWookie;c-2239440" wrote:
"Kisakee;c-2239428" wrote:

For Trooper and Empire versions i always use the same team, again only CT3 by hand and rest full auto:
Spoiler

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Snow over Gideon? I thought the point of troopers was to be able to have a fast, relic'd gideon and then eveyone else could be undergeared. I finished C2 with only Gideon above G12.

Gideon haven't existed when i made this squad and i got used to it that much that i keep using it.
Persimius
Rising Scout
4 years ago
"WookieWookie;c-2239448" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2239441" wrote:
The only one that is truly egregious is Secrets and Shadows. As far as I am aware, only a handful of people have ever beaten CT3 because it's nearly impossible to get Daka modded with enough health to survive Sid's aoe.

+1 to this as well. I have a R7 Daka, health modded better than my GG just as a QoL to decrease the number of attempts it takes to clear CT2, and it's still usually 3-10 attempts to get Daka standing and cleansed after Sid's AoE. I sincerely doubt even R8 Daka would stand a chance against non-crit, good RNG with DoT resists in CT3. It's really a tease and likely needs tweaked. Would literally pay money to see devs stream hours worth of attempts CT3 SnS, even on a test account with all G8 NS. I think if they all had to beat it with legit mods/stats as a part of their job, we'd see it adjusted.

We got them to give us a video of a team of BB8 vs another team of BB8, maybe we can get a video of them beating CT3 with a test account.
Rokaryn_Mazel
New Spectator
4 years ago
Back to OP's point, Challenge Tiers were inherently lazy design, but with good rewards. And yes, CT 2 and 3 rewards are good if you really loot at them. Maybe not as good as CT 1 but still worthwhile if you can.

The problem was they just dialed everything up to 11, speed and health in particular. I can use SLKR two turn stun with 530 speed SLKR, and the jedi will get two stun turns, then two more attacks before my slkr gets another turn. Essentially, CT3 they all have like 2k speed and 300k health.

So beating CT3 relies on an insane TM engine to counter their speed (EP, troopers, CLS) or some sort of abusive mechanic like SLKR / KRU health stacking.

At this point, all but Secrets and Shadows challenge tiers can be beat by developed rosters, but a lot of the fights are super tedious.

I know people hate on GC but in GC at least you can move first if you are fast enough.

But, in the end, there are a lot of rewards for ABs that weren't there before so that is acceptable.
nasheq77
4 years ago
Tier 3 rewards should include some R8 required materials - the same as tier 2 is daft now.
gflegui
4 years ago
They should change the mechanics of the game mode, allowing to complete all tiers by doing Tier 3 just like we do in the Galactic Challenge. The problem is not the challenge, but to loose an hour by finishinf all previous tiers.
Da_Bauers
New Spectator
4 years ago
Just doubling the signal data for T3 would be a step in the right direction. Doubt you'll ever see R8 in there, or they'll add CT4 for that.
mj292j
4 years ago
To the game developer(s) that designed secrets and shadows mechanics:

Whatever your past-time leisure is (cause it clearly isn't gaming), I wish you find the same amount of fun in it as the players attempting to beat this event.
Kisakee
4 years ago
For Sith vs Jedi i only played CT3 by hand, rest on full auto:
Spoiler

For Trooper and Empire versions i always use the same team, again only CT3 by hand and rest full auto:
Spoiler

My NS or Phoenix are G12 at best so i can't say anything about those events.
I'm not a whale by any means, just playing for over 4 1/2 years now. You'll eventually come to the point where you don't need to spend hours for a single event anymore, just keep going and hope for improvements.