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StarbirdInferno
5 years ago

Change to Hera's 1st special

Hi @CG_Doja_Fett i'm really happy you're joining Crumb in the community section, and I have been loving what you have been doing recently. I just wanted to say something about a recent change concerning the Phoenix faction.

On Hera's first special she was once able to cleanse all non-locked debuffs from any Phoenix ally with the Zeta on, so long as she wasn't stunned herself. But for the past month or so that hasn't been happening, as she can no longer remove certain debuffs like 'Stun' or 'Daze' from them, which has removed 60%+ of their use for me in GAC and TW, as I can't beat JKR, Night sisters, Palpatin lead or CLS if certain allies are stunned or Dazed.

Members of my guild have also noticed it in TW. If this was a change made due to the wording in her kit, then I don't like it for a few reasons:

1: it nerfs their counter viability against teams like Night sisters, Palpatine lead and CLS as mentioned above.

2: It can also affect free to play players who decide to go down the Phoenix route, as the Zeta won't provide much benefit anymore in the early game.

So I was wondering if this would it be fixed/reverted back to it's original state soon? As it would be highly appreciated from me, and also for beginning players who might use them. An easy way of changing this would be to slightly change the wording in the ability to where is cleanses target Phoenix ally from ALL cleansable debuffs, and then calls them to assist. A very simple change which would go a long way, so I hope this is changed soon. Also I may get comments from people, and that's fine.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    5 years ago
    ok found it, it is listed here
    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/235551/content-update-09-09-2020

    it was a bug fix for Daze and I imagine that they use a link between daze and stun to apply effects like this which is why it also effects how stun works.

    the current state seems to be WAI.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    5 years ago
    i understand your points. at this moment it does work as described, so i would not expect any major changes to that in the near future, if ever.
  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    Retired Hero
    5 years ago
    I think they are saying it's WAI per wording order; however, Thrawn's wording for Fracture, for example, is nothing like the order it applies. The wording says deal damage first, but it actually deals damage last. If you look at Hera's mechanics, the cleanse comes first, then the other bonuses, and the assist is called last.
  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    Retired Hero
    5 years ago
    "StarbirdInferno2;c-2181516" wrote:
    @crzydroid the ability description is this:

    "Call another target ally to assist. That ally's attack has +50% Potency and deals +35% more damage. If target ally is Phoenix, Dispell all debuffs on them, reduce their cooldowns by 1 and grant them 50% turn meter."

    I get what you mean by this as the animation is the same as Bastilla's, minus the buffs, and has been for years. but the wording is slightly different to Bastilla's ability. But non the less I think they should reword it a bit and make it cleanse ALL non-locked debuffs. That wouldn't take long and it brings the team back into viability against the ones I mentioned, as well as for Free to play players.


    I was talking about if you click on "mechanics" in swgoh.gg. It actually calls the cleanse first. Thrawn's Fracture wording also says deal damage first but it really comes last.

    I don't know what's intended, but keep in mind Phoenix didn't start with zetas--they were added later. It seems odd to add a zeta investment cleanse if it was not intended to circumvent debuffs that could shut the ability down.

    If she was able to target stunned and dazed allies without the zeta, that's a bug. But to not have a check if the zeta is there seems like a lazy fix like was done with Jyn's tmr.
  • Scruminator's avatar
    Scruminator
    Seasoned Newcomer
    5 years ago
    You shouldn’t ever zeta anyone in the Phoenix faction. Your zetas are far too valuable
  • Scruminator's avatar
    Scruminator
    Seasoned Newcomer
    5 years ago
    You mentioned you’re struggling against JKR teams, Nightsisters, and CLS teams using Phoenix. Of course you’re having issues since Phoenix is simply an awful faction, aside from their utility to unlock Thrawn. Phoenix as a faction lacks damage output.

    You’re asking whether or not Hera’s zeta would help. So what I’m saying is your zetas are far too valuable to waste on Phoenix given they won’t do much to help you against the teams you’re having trouble against.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    5 years ago
    That could be said for basically any team out there.

    The ability is worded the way it is and it functions as worded, it was previously not WAI, and was fixed.

    I can't think of a single team that could not be made better or more effective if they had an ability reworded to be more beneficial to the team.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    5 years ago
    "StarbirdInferno2;c-2183519" wrote:
    Kyno actually no, I want them to be returned to their previous state before CG messed with them. That's not a buff, that's reverting the mistake that was made. I don't even want them to be reworked, as I used to use them a lot before this happened, and for the ability to actually match the part where it says 'Dispell all debuffs'.


    I understand but the previous way it worked was not working as intended or as described. That was the mistake.

    It only cleanses the buff if the target called is Phoenix, but you cannot call a dazed or stunned target to assist. This is what way it has always been, which is what made the previous way it worked wrong.
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    This is why I was saying, that you want a change that any team could use to perform better. They would need to change the description (and the design intent) to have it operate differently than previously designed. Any team could use this, but that is not something that is regularly done, as teams are balance to be roughly in the tier they are in.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    5 years ago
    "StarbirdInferno2;c-2183541" wrote:
    again I also get that, but what I don't get is that crzydroid stated that in the mechanics in SWGOH.gg "It actually calls the cleanse first" which I assume is for Phoenix allies, then followed by the assist from assumption. Even if this is now proved wrong, the change has made my Phoenix team praying to RNG that certain allies don't get stunned, and because of that they are next to useless against stun heavy teams, and it makes the team itself more useless in the game.


    Its just how it is written in the code, and seen in Swgoh.gg.

    They are far from useless, and I understand that you see this as undesirable. But it is WAI and follows the description

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