Competitiveness of arena

"WretchedHive;c-1505309" wrote:

"John_Matrix1985;c-1505280" wrote:

"WretchedHive;c-1505273" wrote:

"jkray622;c-1505236" wrote:
It all depends on when people have payout times. If all 7 of them share the time with you, then chances are they'll coordinate and lock you out. If they get payout before or after you, then they might be willing to "share."

Find out if they have a discord or LINE channel and find out!

Yea I get I could do that but what I'm talking about is the competitive spirit of arena, It has become less of an "arena" and more of a "waiting your turn for payout". Especially when there are multiple people on the same team who can coordinate against others and block them out.

Well given how expensive and time consuming this game is, most people do not see the issue in having an arena discord/line channel.

People usually lock themselves at the top of the hour to stop snipers who try to break through for the sole purpose of trolling.

I ain't dropping $50,000 worth of crystal to max out my roster so every bit of help counts from the 2 arenas

I haven't come up with a solution myself but was wondering if others felt the same way.

Nope. Don't see an issue. I know that there are plenty who would agree with you though. I know because it's been discussed in a highly emotional, and toxic manner many times on the forum, and usually ends with the thread getting closed due to insults.

Yes, i colluded for top 1-4 spots for a while. Since mid 2016 maybe. It has become super boring lol.

There's no such things as competitive arena.. just illusion. Anyone can beat everyone. The matter is how to manage to be in the top arena.

I really don't see the issue with it, personally.

The fact is you will always be competing with the same people forever. The shard participants will never change, and eventually you'll all be the same power level as everyone else that is still active in the shard. The realization of this can lead many to want to cooperate rather than compete, since you'll be stuck with the same people while you play this account.

I've played other games with PvP modes where the events change participants every couple days. Those can get competitive when placement for the whole event (in one's own shard) is at stake (and the payout for the event happens at the same time for everyone, unlike here), but even there people have setup coordination chats to help each other raise their scores. In one game, while they may be in the same event and the same payout time, they are all in a different shard (fighting can happen across shards).

I think it's just a natural reaction with games like this to try to get the most out of one's own playtime, and, since the payouts roll-out daily according to timezone, if 26 people (from 26 different time zones) can get the rewards from #1 in a single day, then that's cool in my book.

That is why there should be a reshuffle and reset of the pvp shards. Yes, this has been discussed before and is never done. One could argue that by coordinating attacks to keep another gamer from breaking into the top ten could be interfering with the fairness of the game. Now I wouldn't have thought about the fairness of PvP being interfered with but when I see that it's actually mentioned on the forums to use another chat service other than the game chat to do so. Then the only conclusion is that the fairness of PvP arena has been interfered with. The rewards for being in the top 10 or number 1 are great but if the fairness of the PvP arena is in question then. What is one to do?
May the force be with those who are trying break into the top 10 or number 1 spot. ;)

I personally don't agree with blocking people out when they are climbing to their payout outside of everyone else's payout times. That doesn't seem very cool.

Still, I'm not sure what can be said that hasn't already been said a million times. It sounds like this conversation has been had a lot on the forums.

Best of luck to everyone! =)

They did come up with a solution already, TW. No collusion there. That’s where you’ll get your competitive action. Also, it’s competition within your arena whoever doesn’t drop as far as the rest.. the little things.

Moved to Feedback >> Arena

"WretchedHive;c-1505276" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1505249" wrote:

"WretchedHive;d-164283" wrote:
Not sure if this has been talked about before ....

Really?

Yes, I don't browse here frequently and I haven't seen a post talking about it when I have been on. If that's all you came here to say why post at all? You're only bumping the discussion to the top. If it is an issue that's over discussed let it get buried.

Yes, it has been over discussed. Yes, guild mates help each other, of course. It's all good and doesn't need fixing.

The only fix that there could ever be to this is to remove all payouts and set one time for it. Yeess you see it. Absolute mayhem. Let the hate flow trough you. What were shardmates yesterday are now sworn enemies and are sacrificing their first borns for the top spot. The previous "shard chat leader" has been killed in the coup d'etat shortly after the unannounced update rolled out.
The whole multi-payout system was designed to promote competitiveness. And it does exactly that. The beauty of it is that this is one of the systems that is focused on early-mid game and almost completely neglects the endgame. Most of the arena-generated revenue comes from before 85, people spending thousands to make a early dream team. So the above mentioned shard chats are formed at least a few months in the shard are not really of concern to the devs. It's like that takeout container that has been sitting in the kitchen for a while now. They know it's there, it's annoying, but not annoying enough yet to take care of it.
While my arena shard is not that competitive at my payout (I hover around top 20 and during my payout I do not see any action taking place) at fleet I have 2 other players competing with me for the top spot every day. It was fun at first but now it's just dull. I am not interested in wasting 20 minutes of my life frantically checking the arena for 50 crystals. 3rd spot is all good for me, 2nd even better. I try for 1st, but if it's locked in combat I just let it be. What I am absolutely thrilled about is the fact that us 3 have all different builds (one Ackbar one Mace and my Exec)
The point is, I've been a competitive player for 10 years now (dota, wow, lol, dota 2 you name it, I've been at the top) and this system is just not meant for an individual to be at the top without serious sacrifice and luck. There is skill involved early, but the bigger GP the less of a skill factor there is. It's all about timing, and when you snipe that 1st spot. While the thrill of the seconds is great, it gets boring eventually. Especially if your wife keeps hitting you with a laddle because you are on your phone during dinner. If a guild keeps locking you out of top 10, top 20 is more than good. 200 crystals less is 2$ a day. Are you really considering that you are worth less than 60$ a month?