I'm pretty new to the game at just under a year, so I understand it has all been said, but there is no excuse for the crap I see at the top of my GAC division. I am in Div 9 and I have not had an opponent that some of the top 10 would have any chance against. I understand the concept of matchmaking, but how can you give top spots and top rewards to players that have not developed a single good character, much less a single good team. I have not faced an opponent this time with less than 3 or 4 relics and I have seen over 10, yet the current #2 in the division has a best character as a Gear 11 Vader. I have not faced 1 opponent that roster with have any chance to beat. How can you try to improve when you see rosters so much worse than yours that are winning the GAC? I have tried to develop so that I could compete in Arena, help my guild in TW/TB, and compete in GAC. I can't contribute a lot to a good guild right now, but at least I can somewhat help by picking up 3 or 4 wins. These crap teams are useless to a guild, useless in Arena, and if it were not for being put against only other otherwise useless rosters, then they would also be useless in GAC. This is comparable to all of college football playing only in their conference and then saying the national champion is in the MAC because they did really well against the other MAC teams. I guess it can be considered a strategy if you researched the game a lot before starting that you can "succeed" by keeping your roster crap, but this just doesn't make any sense. You are rewarding being not good.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2184294" wrote: And on my alt account, I use vader under an ep lead we're with only the merciless zeta (it takes time to get more ftp). And with merciless massacre, I have beaten teams that have a relic character or two with a g10 vader as my strongest character. Mods make a huge difference. I knew how to farm mods early on and have a 274 speed thrawn so I can usually go first in that early of a shard. Between stuns, fracture, and fear from dark Bastilla, a fast ep team can hit above it's weight by quite a bit.And on my main, I frequently use Vader to counter GLs in arena so he's definitely not useless.I beat a full relics team with EP g11 7* Vader zMM g11 7* Thrawn g10 6* Nihilus g10 4* and Sion g9 4*. The team that I beat had no synergy or no tenacity because otherwise I would not have beat it but I did. Vader is amazing.

"Waqui;c-2184562" wrote:"shaun51422;c-2184497" wrote:"crzydroid;c-2184372" wrote:While there is some understandable frustration in your general complaint from a certain point of view, what strikes me about this is that someone in Division 9 even has any relic characters at all. G11 is where I feel some of the top people in that division should be. I feel like a Division 9 player with relic teams can't have much roster depth and would be extremely top heavy. I've seen plenty of people even in Division 1 whose gear has outpaced their ability to farm good mods. I can only imagine how much this problem would be exacerbated in Division 9.When I started in GAC I wanted to focus on what would make me better there as well as compete in Squad Arena. Isn't that how you should play? I haven't seen a team in my Squad without at least some relics in months. So why wouldn't you expect someone trying to do well by focusing on getting a solid squad for arena and then for GAC? I haven't faced an opponent without relics in GAC in 3 seasons. I am not saying I should be the best in my division, but it seems like those of us that have done a lot more by the setup the game has given us (standard 3 teams O and 3 D plus ships) should not be finishing lower than teams that would have 0 chance to win playing us. As far as having good mods, if you don't see how someone could have good mods on a few good teams in Div 11, then how would someone have good mods for 80 G5-G11 characters? That is another reason to focus on getting fewer well geared teams - you need less good mods for them.The purpose of matching players also by matchmaking GP instead of matching by division and league only is to create more even matches.Why not just get rid of divisions altogether though? What's the point of divisions and division-based leaderboards if there are players competing for the same top 10 without having the slightest chance of facing eachother? Can you really say XY is the best player of division 1? (As the leaderboards suggest now). Doubtful. They can be the best GAC player in their matchmaking bracket, sure, but hardly of the 4.5m+ division.If you want a leaderboard showing the pound-for-pound best player, just use one general leaderboard.

"RandomSithLord;c-2184643" wrote:"Kyno;c-2184634" wrote:"RandomSithLord;c-2184572" wrote:Sure it doesn't. But what's the point of GP-based divisions then if the leaderboard won't account for it anyway?"Rath_Tarr;c-2184571" wrote:"RandomSithLord;c-2184566" wrote:"Waqui;c-2184562" wrote:"shaun51422;c-2184497" wrote:"crzydroid;c-2184372" wrote:While there is some understandable frustration in your general complaint from a certain point of view, what strikes me about this is that someone in Division 9 even has any relic characters at all. G11 is where I feel some of the top people in that division should be. I feel like a Division 9 player with relic teams can't have much roster depth and would be extremely top heavy. I've seen plenty of people even in Division 1 whose gear has outpaced their ability to farm good mods. I can only imagine how much this problem would be exacerbated in Division 9.When I started in GAC I wanted to focus on what would make me better there as well as compete in Squad Arena. Isn't that how you should play? I haven't seen a team in my Squad without at least some relics in months. So why wouldn't you expect someone trying to do well by focusing on getting a solid squad for arena and then for GAC? I haven't faced an opponent without relics in GAC in 3 seasons. I am not saying I should be the best in my division, but it seems like those of us that have done a lot more by the setup the game has given us (standard 3 teams O and 3 D plus ships) should not be finishing lower than teams that would have 0 chance to win playing us. As far as having good mods, if you don't see how someone could have good mods on a few good teams in Div 11, then how would someone have good mods for 80 G5-G11 characters? That is another reason to focus on getting fewer well geared teams - you need less good mods for them.The purpose of matching players also by matchmaking GP instead of matching by division and league only is to create more even matches.Why not just get rid of divisions altogether though? What's the point of divisions and division-based leaderboards if there are players competing for the same top 10 without having the slightest chance of facing eachother? Can you really say XY is the best player of division 1? (As the leaderboards suggest now). Doubtful. They can be the best GAC player in their matchmaking bracket, sure, but hardly of the 4.5m+ division.If you want a leaderboard showing the pound-for-pound best player, just use one general leaderboard. Higher GP does not equal better player.I'd argue, however, that someone fighting 3-4 GLs on defense and still making top 20 is a better player than someone soloing g7 Phoenix with Wampa every round to get to the top of the leaderboard. you could make that assumption but that would be like trying to compare the best players at a highschool level to the best players in the major leagues. Agreed. However, currently 4.5m does not really represent the major league (division one). It was a a good enough threshold to delimit the top division when GAC was introduced, but 4.5 to 9.2m+ in division one is a wider gap now then all division below put together. Some frequently top ranked division 1 rosters are closer to d2/3 tier, just placed in the current highest bracket because the passing mark is outdated. Hence the dissatisfaction of many. You can have a "perfect season" of 59/60 banners average against DR, GAS/CLS + 2/4 GLs defense and you still won't cut top 10 because, going by the analogy above, some high school level players are playing other high school level players for better scores in the major leagues. I dont think anyone disagrees we need more divisions, and not just splitting of D1, but a "redo" of the whole scaling system. that would allow for them to be more representative of fair matches, IMO. I was just pointing out that there is no way to compare between divisions. I dont think 4.5M are facing g7 phoenix.

"shaun51422;c-2185010" wrote:"Waqui;c-2184561" wrote:"shaun51422;c-2184489" wrote:"Waqui;c-2184292" wrote:Apparently they developed strong enough teams and tactics to gain top ranks. And you call their rosters useless?The leader boards rank players by GAC score - not by roster strength. It's all it is. I wouldn't worry too much about how strong (or weak) the top ranking players' rosters are.The point is that if they were going against the other good teams in the division they wouldn't win a match.The point is that they were matched against players with similar matchmaking GP and won. Exactly - they matched the teams that can't put together a decent team of 5 against other teams that can't put together a decent team of 5. They have the GP, so if they didn't use their resources well then they should have to deal with it. They matched them to others that have a similar top 80 go (or top 60 or 40 or whatever for lower division). Ability to put teams together isn't taken into account fo rrc matchmaking.

"shaun51422;c-2185014" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-2184671" wrote:"shaun51422;c-2184488" wrote:"DarkHelmet1138;c-2184294" wrote:"shaun51422;d-237355" wrote:I'm pretty new to the game at just under a year, so I understand it has all been said, but there is no excuse for the crap I see at the top of my GAC division. I am in Div 9 and I have not had an opponent that some of the top 10 would have any chance against. I understand the concept of matchmaking, but how can you give top spots and top rewards to players that have not developed a single good character, much less a single good team. I have not faced an opponent this time with less than 3 or 4 relics and I have seen over 10, yet the current #2 in the division has a best character as a Gear 11 Vader. I have not faced 1 opponent that roster with have any chance to beat. How can you try to improve when you see rosters so much worse than yours that are winning the GAC? I have tried to develop so that I could compete in Arena, help my guild in TW/TB, and compete in GAC. I can't contribute a lot to a good guild right now, but at least I can somewhat help by picking up 3 or 4 wins. These crap teams are useless to a guild, useless in Arena, and if it were not for being put against only other otherwise useless rosters, then they would also be useless in GAC. This is comparable to all of college football playing only in their conference and then saying the national champion is in the MAC because they did really well against the other MAC teams. I guess it can be considered a strategy if you researched the game a lot before starting that you can "succeed" by keeping your roster crap, but this just doesn't make any sense. You are rewarding being not good.You mention the roster being crap but lack any details except that they don't have g12 or relics.You mentioned vader but he is hardly a crap toon. In fact, he is probably one of the best characters in the game after his rework. So the statement about this guy only having crap toons is just false. He wouldn't be winning if he only had crap toons. The opposite is likely true. He likely has a very focused pvp roster but hasn't gotten to g12 or relics yet.I'm sure your total gp is likely higher so you'll probably hit another division soon where your rewards will increase more sooner.And on my alt account, I use vader under an ep lead we're with only the merciless zeta (it takes time to get more ftp). And with merciless massacre, I have beaten teams that have a relic character or two with a g10 vader as my strongest character. Mods make a huge difference. I knew how to farm mods early on and have a 274 speed thrawn so I can usually go first in that early of a shard. Between stuns, fracture, and fear from dark Bastilla, a fast ep team can hit above it's weight by quite a bit.And on my main, I frequently use Vader to counter GLs in arena so he's definitely not useless.I love Vader. I didn't mean Vader is crap, but he isn't going to have a chance against the high relics. He is my best character and at Relic 5. But a G11 Vader leading any team of of G11 and lower has 0 chance against the solid Relic 5-7 Padme or Bug teams I'm seeing that have good Mods as well.Depends on mods. If a relic padme team is pretty slow, it is probably possible. The gear on thrawn doesn't matter that much since fracture still takes someone out of the battle temporarily. Ep can still mass stun at low gear with proper mods. Dark Bastilla still puts fear out at low gear. All of th is can delay a relic team long enough for vader to one shot anakin and padme. At gear 11 he has enough offense to do so if he gets enough debuffs.I have beaten padme teams with a g10 ep team in my arena even though they had some relics. It really comes down to mods. If they go quickly enough and get the stacks of courage and protection up, it doesn't work.This is really a bit off topic at this point, but you are operating under the assumption that these high relic characters have very bad mods, which isn't the case. I can assure you that a set of mods that make a G11 Vader better than my R4 Vader do not exist. I can assure you that people that play grand arena do in fact sometimes have teams modded worse than others. I also know from experience, that often when I am matched on my main account against opponents that have more relics, they often have worse mods. It probably has to do with spending to get relics quicker often results in having a similar roster but less good mods.But regardless of the reason, I have observed it often enough that it does happen.And a set of mods to make a g10 vader beat an r4 vader absolutely exist. In fact it only relies on one stat. Speed. An r4 vader can't kill a g10 vader if he never goes. And with an ep team that is full g10 vs an ep team with an r4 vader, if thrawn in the lower gear team goes first and fracture vader, then the g10 vader can go and merciless the rest of the team. From there it is rather easy to keep the r4 vader locked down with stun, fear and ability block until you can kill him. And s g10 vader has ef enough offense to kill an r4 vader.If you don't know that speed mods is often the deciding factor on teams that require a lot of control, then I'm not surprised that players that have lower gear characters are still doing better than you in grand arena.

Crap teams winning GAC Divisions Needs to stop

1Leviathan1
5 years ago
"DarkHelmet1138;c-2184294" wrote:

And on my alt account, I use vader under an ep lead we're with only the merciless zeta (it takes time to get more ftp). And with merciless massacre, I have beaten teams that have a relic character or two with a g10 vader as my strongest character. Mods make a huge difference. I knew how to farm mods early on and have a 274 speed thrawn so I can usually go first in that early of a shard. Between stuns, fracture, and fear from dark Bastilla, a fast ep team can hit above it's weight by quite a bit.

And on my main, I frequently use Vader to counter GLs in arena so he's definitely not useless.

I beat a full relics team with EP g11 7* Vader zMM g11 7* Thrawn g10 6* Nihilus g10 4* and Sion g9 4*. The team that I beat had no synergy or no tenacity because otherwise I would not have beat it but I did. Vader is amazing.
RSithLord
5 years ago
"Waqui;c-2184562" wrote:
"shaun51422;c-2184497" wrote:
"crzydroid;c-2184372" wrote:
While there is some understandable frustration in your general complaint from a certain point of view, what strikes me about this is that someone in Division 9 even has any relic characters at all. G11 is where I feel some of the top people in that division should be. I feel like a Division 9 player with relic teams can't have much roster depth and would be extremely top heavy. I've seen plenty of people even in Division 1 whose gear has outpaced their ability to farm good mods. I can only imagine how much this problem would be exacerbated in Division 9.

When I started in GAC I wanted to focus on what would make me better there as well as compete in Squad Arena. Isn't that how you should play? I haven't seen a team in my Squad without at least some relics in months. So why wouldn't you expect someone trying to do well by focusing on getting a solid squad for arena and then for GAC? I haven't faced an opponent without relics in GAC in 3 seasons. I am not saying I should be the best in my division, but it seems like those of us that have done a lot more by the setup the game has given us (standard 3 teams O and 3 D plus ships) should not be finishing lower than teams that would have 0 chance to win playing us.
As far as having good mods, if you don't see how someone could have good mods on a few good teams in Div 11, then how would someone have good mods for 80 G5-G11 characters? That is another reason to focus on getting fewer well geared teams - you need less good mods for them.

The purpose of matching players also by matchmaking GP instead of matching by division and league only is to create more even matches.

Why not just get rid of divisions altogether though? What's the point of divisions and division-based leaderboards if there are players competing for the same top 10 without having the slightest chance of facing eachother? Can you really say XY is the best player of division 1? (As the leaderboards suggest now). Doubtful. They can be the best GAC player in their matchmaking bracket, sure, but hardly of the 4.5m+ division.

If you want a leaderboard showing the pound-for-pound best player, just use one general leaderboard.
NyKynoe
5 years ago
"RandomSithLord;c-2184643" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2184634" wrote:
"RandomSithLord;c-2184572" wrote:
Sure it doesn't. But what's the point of GP-based divisions then if the leaderboard won't account for it anyway?

"Rath_Tarr;c-2184571" wrote:
"RandomSithLord;c-2184566" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2184562" wrote:
"shaun51422;c-2184497" wrote:
"crzydroid;c-2184372" wrote:
While there is some understandable frustration in your general complaint from a certain point of view, what strikes me about this is that someone in Division 9 even has any relic characters at all. G11 is where I feel some of the top people in that division should be. I feel like a Division 9 player with relic teams can't have much roster depth and would be extremely top heavy. I've seen plenty of people even in Division 1 whose gear has outpaced their ability to farm good mods. I can only imagine how much this problem would be exacerbated in Division 9.

When I started in GAC I wanted to focus on what would make me better there as well as compete in Squad Arena. Isn't that how you should play? I haven't seen a team in my Squad without at least some relics in months. So why wouldn't you expect someone trying to do well by focusing on getting a solid squad for arena and then for GAC? I haven't faced an opponent without relics in GAC in 3 seasons. I am not saying I should be the best in my division, but it seems like those of us that have done a lot more by the setup the game has given us (standard 3 teams O and 3 D plus ships) should not be finishing lower than teams that would have 0 chance to win playing us.
As far as having good mods, if you don't see how someone could have good mods on a few good teams in Div 11, then how would someone have good mods for 80 G5-G11 characters? That is another reason to focus on getting fewer well geared teams - you need less good mods for them.

The purpose of matching players also by matchmaking GP instead of matching by division and league only is to create more even matches.

Why not just get rid of divisions altogether though? What's the point of divisions and division-based leaderboards if there are players competing for the same top 10 without having the slightest chance of facing eachother? Can you really say XY is the best player of division 1? (As the leaderboards suggest now). Doubtful. They can be the best GAC player in their matchmaking bracket, sure, but hardly of the 4.5m+ division.

If you want a leaderboard showing the pound-for-pound best player, just use one general leaderboard.

Higher GP does not equal better player.

I'd argue, however, that someone fighting 3-4 GLs on defense and still making top 20 is a better player than someone soloing g7 Phoenix with Wampa every round to get to the top of the leaderboard.

you could make that assumption but that would be like trying to compare the best players at a highschool level to the best players in the major leagues.

Agreed. However, currently 4.5m does not really represent the major league (division one). It was a a good enough threshold to delimit the top division when GAC was introduced, but 4.5 to 9.2m+ in division one is a wider gap now then all division below put together.

Some frequently top ranked division 1 rosters are closer to d2/3 tier, just placed in the current highest bracket because the passing mark is outdated. Hence the dissatisfaction of many. You can have a "perfect season" of 59/60 banners average against DR, GAS/CLS + 2/4 GLs defense and you still won't cut top 10 because, going by the analogy above, some high school level players are playing other high school level players for better scores in the major leagues.

I dont think anyone disagrees we need more divisions, and not just splitting of D1, but a "redo" of the whole scaling system. that would allow for them to be more representative of fair matches, IMO.

I was just pointing out that there is no way to compare between divisions. I dont think 4.5M are facing g7 phoenix.
DarkHelmet1138
5 years ago
"shaun51422;c-2185010" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2184561" wrote:
"shaun51422;c-2184489" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2184292" wrote:
Apparently they developed strong enough teams and tactics to gain top ranks. And you call their rosters useless?

The leader boards rank players by GAC score - not by roster strength. It's all it is. I wouldn't worry too much about how strong (or weak) the top ranking players' rosters are.

The point is that if they were going against the other good teams in the division they wouldn't win a match.

The point is that they were matched against players with similar matchmaking GP and won.

Exactly - they matched the teams that can't put together a decent team of 5 against other teams that can't put together a decent team of 5. They have the GP, so if they didn't use their resources well then they should have to deal with it.

They matched them to others that have a similar top 80 go (or top 60 or 40 or whatever for lower division). Ability to put teams together isn't taken into account fo rrc matchmaking.
DarkHelmet1138
5 years ago
"shaun51422;c-2185014" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-2184671" wrote:
"shaun51422;c-2184488" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-2184294" wrote:
"shaun51422;d-237355" wrote:
I'm pretty new to the game at just under a year, so I understand it has all been said, but there is no excuse for the crap I see at the top of my GAC division. I am in Div 9 and I have not had an opponent that some of the top 10 would have any chance against. I understand the concept of matchmaking, but how can you give top spots and top rewards to players that have not developed a single good character, much less a single good team. I have not faced an opponent this time with less than 3 or 4 relics and I have seen over 10, yet the current #2 in the division has a best character as a Gear 11 Vader. I have not faced 1 opponent that roster with have any chance to beat. How can you try to improve when you see rosters so much worse than yours that are winning the GAC?

I have tried to develop so that I could compete in Arena, help my guild in TW/TB, and compete in GAC. I can't contribute a lot to a good guild right now, but at least I can somewhat help by picking up 3 or 4 wins. These crap teams are useless to a guild, useless in Arena, and if it were not for being put against only other otherwise useless rosters, then they would also be useless in GAC.

This is comparable to all of college football playing only in their conference and then saying the national champion is in the MAC because they did really well against the other MAC teams. I guess it can be considered a strategy if you researched the game a lot before starting that you can "succeed" by keeping your roster crap, but this just doesn't make any sense. You are rewarding being not good.

You mention the roster being crap but lack any details except that they don't have g12 or relics.

You mentioned vader but he is hardly a crap toon. In fact, he is probably one of the best characters in the game after his rework. So the statement about this guy only having crap toons is just false. He wouldn't be winning if he only had crap toons. The opposite is likely true. He likely has a very focused pvp roster but hasn't gotten to g12 or relics yet.

I'm sure your total gp is likely higher so you'll probably hit another division soon where your rewards will increase more sooner.

And on my alt account, I use vader under an ep lead we're with only the merciless zeta (it takes time to get more ftp). And with merciless massacre, I have beaten teams that have a relic character or two with a g10 vader as my strongest character. Mods make a huge difference. I knew how to farm mods early on and have a 274 speed thrawn so I can usually go first in that early of a shard. Between stuns, fracture, and fear from dark Bastilla, a fast ep team can hit above it's weight by quite a bit.

And on my main, I frequently use Vader to counter GLs in arena so he's definitely not useless.

I love Vader. I didn't mean Vader is crap, but he isn't going to have a chance against the high relics. He is my best character and at Relic 5. But a G11 Vader leading any team of of G11 and lower has 0 chance against the solid Relic 5-7 Padme or Bug teams I'm seeing that have good Mods as well.

Depends on mods. If a relic padme team is pretty slow, it is probably possible. The gear on thrawn doesn't matter that much since fracture still takes someone out of the battle temporarily. Ep can still mass stun at low gear with proper mods. Dark Bastilla still puts fear out at low gear.

All of th is can delay a relic team long enough for vader to one shot anakin and padme. At gear 11 he has enough offense to do so if he gets enough debuffs.

I have beaten padme teams with a g10 ep team in my arena even though they had some relics. It really comes down to mods. If they go quickly enough and get the stacks of courage and protection up, it doesn't work.

This is really a bit off topic at this point, but you are operating under the assumption that these high relic characters have very bad mods, which isn't the case. I can assure you that a set of mods that make a G11 Vader better than my R4 Vader do not exist.

I can assure you that people that play grand arena do in fact sometimes have teams modded worse than others. I also know from experience, that often when I am matched on my main account against opponents that have more relics, they often have worse mods.

It probably has to do with spending to get relics quicker often results in having a similar roster but less good mods.

But regardless of the reason, I have observed it often enough that it does happen.

And a set of mods to make a g10 vader beat an r4 vader absolutely exist. In fact it only relies on one stat. Speed. An r4 vader can't kill a g10 vader if he never goes. And with an ep team that is full g10 vs an ep team with an r4 vader, if thrawn in the lower gear team goes first and fracture vader, then the g10 vader can go and merciless the rest of the team. From there it is rather easy to keep the r4 vader locked down with stun, fear and ability block until you can kill him. And s g10 vader has ef enough offense to kill an r4 vader.

If you don't know that speed mods is often the deciding factor on teams that require a lot of control, then I'm not surprised that players that have lower gear characters are still doing better than you in grand arena.
DarkHelmet1138
5 years ago
"shaun51422;c-2185289" wrote:
Just so you guys can see exactly what I'm talking about - the top row is the 3 teams I faced last round. The pics below are the top 4 in the division and another random top 15. With the exception that I actually faced the division winner last round, I think you can see the there is no way those top teams are seeing the competition I did. Those teams that finished at the top were not consistently playing that level opponent.
So I won 2 of 3 matches last round. Obviously the guy that won overall beat me. I can look at his team and see how I need to improve myself to have a better chance against him. Not the same with the others. They are clearly not facing the same competition.

We already know that is the case. It's how matchmaking is designed. Your top 40 of your roster probably has double the gp as the weaker roster. But both your overall go (which determines divisions) is close enough that you're in the same division.

But the matchmaking is specifically designed to avoid matching those with a ton of relics at the top with those that don't have as ton of relics at the top.
DarkHelmet1138
5 years ago
I think there may be an actual solution to this that doesn't break matchmaking. And since the op doesn't seem to understand how the system works let alone how to make it better, I'll throw out the possible solution for Discussion.

Basically we just need to redo the division placement to also be based on effective go with matchmaking rather than total gp. This would likely result in people who have vastly different rosters at the top being in different divisions.

It's a bit more complicated unfortunately since what determines effective gp varies based on your division. But it is something to consider since there are calls to rework the divisions anyway due to division 1 filling up.
Waquira
5 years ago
"shaun51422;c-2185289" wrote:
Just so you guys can see exactly what I'm talking about - the top row is the 3 teams I faced last round. The pics below are the top 4 in the division and another random top 15. With the exception that I actually faced the division winner last round, I think you can see the there is no way those top teams are seeing the competition I did. Those teams that finished at the top were not consistently playing that level opponent.
So I won 2 of 3 matches last round. Obviously the guy that won overall beat me. I can look at his team and see how I need to improve myself to have a better chance against him. Not the same with the others. They are clearly not facing the same competition.

Still: The players are matched by matchmaking GP - not by which characters they have or their "ability to put together decent teams". Players are matched by the GP of their top-X characters - disregarding what teams or characters they have avaliable. X is the number of defensive squad slots multiplied by 10 - and fleet GP also plays some role.

A player with low matchmaking GP is matched with other players of low matchmaking GP - never with players with high matchmaking GP. That's why you see the matches and leader boards you see.
Waquira
5 years ago
Apparently they developed strong enough teams and tactics to gain top ranks. And you call their rosters useless?

The leader boards rank players by GAC score - not by roster strength. It's all it is. I wouldn't worry too much about how strong (or weak) the top ranking players' rosters are.
DarkHelmet1138
5 years ago
"shaun51422;d-237355" wrote:
I'm pretty new to the game at just under a year, so I understand it has all been said, but there is no excuse for the crap I see at the top of my GAC division. I am in Div 9 and I have not had an opponent that some of the top 10 would have any chance against. I understand the concept of matchmaking, but how can you give top spots and top rewards to players that have not developed a single good character, much less a single good team. I have not faced an opponent this time with less than 3 or 4 relics and I have seen over 10, yet the current #2 in the division has a best character as a Gear 11 Vader. I have not faced 1 opponent that roster with have any chance to beat. How can you try to improve when you see rosters so much worse than yours that are winning the GAC?

I have tried to develop so that I could compete in Arena, help my guild in TW/TB, and compete in GAC. I can't contribute a lot to a good guild right now, but at least I can somewhat help by picking up 3 or 4 wins. These crap teams are useless to a guild, useless in Arena, and if it were not for being put against only other otherwise useless rosters, then they would also be useless in GAC.

This is comparable to all of college football playing only in their conference and then saying the national champion is in the MAC because they did really well against the other MAC teams. I guess it can be considered a strategy if you researched the game a lot before starting that you can "succeed" by keeping your roster crap, but this just doesn't make any sense. You are rewarding being not good.

You mention the roster being crap but lack any details except that they don't have g12 or relics.

You mentioned vader but he is hardly a crap toon. In fact, he is probably one of the best characters in the game after his rework. So the statement about this guy only having crap toons is just false. He wouldn't be winning if he only had crap toons. The opposite is likely true. He likely has a very focused pvp roster but hasn't gotten to g12 or relics yet.

I'm sure your total gp is likely higher so you'll probably hit another division soon where your rewards will increase more sooner.

And on my alt account, I use vader under an ep lead we're with only the merciless zeta (it takes time to get more ftp). And with merciless massacre, I have beaten teams that have a relic character or two with a g10 vader as my strongest character. Mods make a huge difference. I knew how to farm mods early on and have a 274 speed thrawn so I can usually go first in that early of a shard. Between stuns, fracture, and fear from dark Bastilla, a fast ep team can hit above it's weight by quite a bit.

And on my main, I frequently use Vader to counter GLs in arena so he's definitely not useless.