Dengar ship is going to make me quit!
I spent well over a year working on profundity and now leviathan only to have one ship nullify all that work. Now I wasted a year building profundity to have a ship that can't beat anything. A 3 Deng...
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Levi is very difficult to beat with Profundity. However it could trash Exec.
Exec couldn't beat either of the other two elite cap ships, so it needed an upgrade.
But what you want is a balance of power -- each of the 3 ships that requires the most investment can beat at least one other cap ship among those elite 3. With Profundity only regularly able to beat Exec, boosting Exec vs. Profundity is a fundamentally unsound idea. It results in a 2 ship meta instead of 3, where if you have Exec or Levi, you can beat at least 2 of the enemy's meta fleets, where if you have only Profundity you can only beat Profundities. This locks down your available strategies. In other words, you lose flexibility.
Worse, while Profundity can obviously win mirror matches, b/c of the RNG component to the number of assists you get it's very difficult to strategize your way to a win. You can make these mirrors 100% reliable, but only by bringing in ships that are needed for other fleets (such as the TIE Bomber).
Profundity isn't useless -- that's hyperbole. But it is now worth less than other fleets, yet costs approximately the same to get. While people are overblowing the situation, this is the kernel of legit criticism at the heart of the big kerfuffle.
Not truly the case. Triple attacker Exec can beat Profundity pre PO. Also had a shard mate bump up most of his Exec fleet to R9 and he could regularly beat Levi and would get defense holds against Levi. I will be interested to see the TIE dagger upgrade and what it means against PO and for Levi mirror matches.
Not truly the case. Triple attacker Exec can beat Profundity pre PO. Also had a shard mate bump up most of his Exec fleet to R9 and he could regularly beat Levi and would get defense holds against Levi.
None of this is helping the argument that Profundity is holding its own in the 3-fleet meta. You're actually arguing that Profundity is worse than I was stating.
No, I was referring to your statement that Exec couldn't beat either Prof or Levi, which simply wasn't the case. Exec didn't need the bump to win, you just had to invest more into the fleet associated with it. Same thing many of us had to do with Levi because of the R9 arms race.
People are always going to find counters as we have seen with the Thrawn counter vs Levi. There is already a counter with Tarkin vs. 7* PO, however, I would call it a very soft counter because it is very RNG dependent. In a nutshell, you start TIE, Vader, and Scythe. First special with TIE, then ability block Mando with Vader, then pray your TIE gets killed with the mass attack so you can immediately bring in TIE defender. If your TIE doesn't get killed, you get wiped once PO gets his turn. Otherwise, it is long, but relatively easy win. I would bet that someone is going to figure out something with a non-standard Prof line up.
