CG,Please consider having the game count the members in a guild and only require that many raid tickets to unlock the raids.For example:If a 25 member guild earns 600 daily raid tickets from all 25 members, then they should unlock the raids just as fast as a 50 member guild getting 600 a day per member.This will not hurt the larger guilds due to how fast and easily they would finish the raids compared to the smaller guilds.If you are worried about the smaller guilds having the tickets again before the raid is completed, then don't start counting the tickets for that raid until the raid is completed. This will put the same amount of time between each raid finish and start for everyone.This is the fair thing to do for all players. It will still punish those with inactive players and require that all work together to unlock the raid.I've spent a lot of time, effort and money on this game. I shouldn't have to lean on 49 other players to unlock the raids at a decent amount of time. If all players in the guild are active, then that is all you should be asking for.This is the fair thing to do. More players would feel better about the game and this would stop a lot of the turmoil that is happening with the guilds.Please, stop beating on the smaller guilds.

"Kisermiester;c-2077134" wrote:"leef;c-2077131" wrote:fair? How is it fair when 25 players earn just as many total tickets per day as 50? How is it fair that 25 players all put in just as much as you do individually and you think you deserve more just because you have 49 other people to lean on???No, i deserve more because i need 49 others to do their part just like i do my part if i want to raid as often as possible instead of only needing 24 others to do their part. So how is exactly fair when 25 players earn just as many total tickets per day as 50?

"Kisermiester;c-2077134" wrote:"leef;c-2077131" wrote:fair? How is it fair when 25 players earn just as many total tickets per day as 50? How is it fair that 25 players all put in just as much as you do individually and you think you deserve more just because you have 49 other people to lean on???Raids are guild events - not individual events. Complete guilds have an advantage over half complete guilds. Just as in TB.If a guild of 25 members could run as many raids as a guild of 50 members how would it be fair that the small guild receives rank 1-25 rewards while the complete guild receives rank 1-50 rewards and hence far worse rewards on average? Why on earth should the smaller guild have far better rewards on average? What would justify this?

Games don't NEED to be fair, if the player wants fair then play by the rules the other players use. Don't ask for the goal post to be moved if you can't reach it as often as the others.

"Kisermiester;c-2077175" wrote:"DuneFlint;c-2077170" wrote:"Kisermiester;c-2077155" wrote:The game needs to be fair. And that means to individuals as well. You seem to think that if you have more people you should have more access. That's wrong!! I don't care if they did away with the tickets all together and had a time limit between the finish and start of a particular raid. Then the larger guilds will get through it faster and be starting the next one sooner. You still have the advantage. Your way of thinking has driven off many players. We see this way is not working for many. Something needs to change in a fair way. And not in a way that one feels more entitled to access just because they have a larger group. That doesn't make any sense. In your proposed change You seem to think that the advantage for a larger guild is that they can complete the raid faster. Heroic rancor is a full on sim, or 5min auto no matter how many members in the guild. Haat is a 15min full auto, even if you only have 25people in the guild. So how exactly is a larger guild completing a raid faster to start a new one sooner? The game was designed and balanced with 50 people guilds in mind. Either be in a guild with 50, or suffer the consequences. You don't think it takes alot of work for officers to recruit/manage 50 people??I know it takes a lot of work. And the game forces 50 member guilds too much. I'm only asking for the access to raids. Not the completion. You seem to think that all guilds who have access will be able to finish these raids as fast as your guild does. That is the mistake here. And if a smaller guild does have the roster to do so, then they've earned that right. I don't understand why you would think any differently. There is plenty of other things smaller guilds are locked from. Raids don't need to be one of them.All guilds have access to all the raids, they are not restricting access, just lowering the frequency. There is no such thing as a small guild, just incomplete ones (or not full). The only thing guilds are locked out of are thing where they do not meet the prerequisites, just like events. This is a development game with a progress to it, if you dont make the progress, then yes you are locked out.

I would be tempted to take my two alts, both of which can solo HAAT and Pit, maybe put a low level ticket generator in there, collect top 3 rewards for all three accounts at max raid frequency and reap the gear, currency and shard benefits, while giving ticket mule 7* Han and 7* GK to abuse whenever he decided to pop into squad arena (or bounce him before then and replace with another ticket mule).You might counter and then say "well, you need at least 25 members", to which I would then use your own argument to counter your own point.Guilds are 50 people. That's the design of the game. There are many many guilds that are looking for players. There are many midsize guilds that could merge into full guilds.

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NyKynoe
5 years ago
"Kisermiester;c-2078658" wrote:
"Damodamo;c-2078627" wrote:
@Kisermiester https://swgoh.gg/g/54991/fierce-gaming/

That is why you don’t have a leg to stand on r.e making comments about your guild deserving more.. your group can’t even be bothered to make a gg page for a majority of your players... if your too lazy to do that, what exactly do you expect to happen with raids? If you want more, move to a bigger/better guild.

I guess that is what I'll have to do and leave my friends behind. Not the friendliest thing for me to do. It makes me feel really bad. I don't like feeling like I'm letting others down. I'm the one doing most of the work and if I leave they will most likely have a much worse experience. I'm not claiming that I do more work as an individual, they just don't have the roster I have. Therefore, they can't do as much. So that leaves me feeling as though I need to leave them and move to something that will help me grow. We are a really small guild. I've been playing this game for two years now and I've never even done a heroic raid yet. I'm not sure that I will beat it alone, so I'd rather do teir 6 and know that everyone will get something instead of taking a chance to fail and it take us a month or more to try again. It really sucks. I even made three accounts to help bring in more daily tickets. My main account is 3.36 mill GP. I'm doing all I can and will never get access to even unlock GK. Man, I've got some hard thinking to do. And it's a bit scary to jump in with a big guild where you don't know anyone and if they are going to help you or just use you.

Many of (if not all) of the "big guilds" that would want you, are always open to letting you join the discord server, meet people and decide for yourself if it's something you want.

You should try to not have such a bleak look on other groups. They were all strangers at one point or another too.
chriskiser
5 years ago
"Damodamo;c-2078627" wrote:
@Kisermiester https://swgoh.gg/g/54991/fierce-gaming/

That is why you don’t have a leg to stand on r.e making comments about your guild deserving more.. your group can’t even be bothered to make a gg page for a majority of your players... if your too lazy to do that, what exactly do you expect to happen with raids? If you want more, move to a bigger/better guild.

By the way, it has nothing to do with "lazy". I work a full time job, have to travel quite a bit and I'm in the middle of trying to get a house built. I didn't create a guild for the purposes of what you are thinking. I only created one for a few people I actually know outside of this game and asked them to start playing. The only two people in my guild that are actually active is my dad, 66 yrs old, and myself. I don't want to leave him behind just because he has less than 2 mill GP.
maximumbanana18
New Spectator
5 years ago
"Kisermiester;c-2078662" wrote:
"Damodamo;c-2078627" wrote:
@Kisermiester https://swgoh.gg/g/54991/fierce-gaming/

That is why you don’t have a leg to stand on r.e making comments about your guild deserving more.. your group can’t even be bothered to make a gg page for a majority of your players... if your too lazy to do that, what exactly do you expect to happen with raids? If you want more, move to a bigger/better guild.

By the way, it has nothing to do with "lazy". I work a full time job, have to travel quite a bit and I'm in the middle of trying to get a house built. I didn't create a guild for the purposes of what you are thinking. I only created one for a few people I actually know outside of this game and asked them to start playing. The only two people in my guild that are actually active is my dad, 66 yrs old, and myself. I don't want to leave him behind just because he has less than 2 mill GP.

By lazy, I meant not using the available tools to help them improve. If your other Guildys don’t use gg then that’s pretty much harming themselves. It’s a useful tool. I think your guild had 6 or 7 members, you said you had three alts as well in one of your replies, plus your dad, so your sticking around for 2 people who don’t play much? Why don’t you look for a guild doing a merge and see if you can get you, your dad and your friends into something else. Might be worth doing!
Waquira
5 years ago
"Kisermiester;c-2078658" wrote:
"Damodamo;c-2078627" wrote:
@Kisermiester https://swgoh.gg/g/54991/fierce-gaming/

That is why you don’t have a leg to stand on r.e making comments about your guild deserving more.. your group can’t even be bothered to make a gg page for a majority of your players... if your too lazy to do that, what exactly do you expect to happen with raids? If you want more, move to a bigger/better guild.

I guess that is what I'll have to do and leave my friends behind. Not the friendliest thing for me to do. It makes me feel really bad. I don't like feeling like I'm letting others down. I'm the one doing most of the work and if I leave they will most likely have a much worse experience. I'm not claiming that I do more work as an individual, they just don't have the roster I have. Therefore, they can't do as much. So that leaves me feeling as though I need to leave them and move to something that will help me grow. We are a really small guild. I've been playing this game for two years now and I've never even done a heroic raid yet. I'm not sure that I will beat it alone, so I'd rather do teir 6 and know that everyone will get something instead of taking a chance to fail and it take us a month or more to try again. It really sucks. I even made three accounts to help bring in more daily tickets. My main account is 3.36 mill GP. I'm doing all I can and will never get access to even unlock GK. Man, I've got some hard thinking to do. And it's a bit scary to jump in with a big guild where you don't know anyone and if they are going to help you or just use you.

2 years without having ever done a heroic raid? Months between doing raids? Wauw! The general advice is to join an active guild doing heroic raids as soon as you get your first 7* character. Your problem is not game design. Your problem is your choices and priorities. You are holding yourself back. It's not the game.

There are several guilds out there with room for all of you. You don't need to leave your friends behind. Just move as a group if you prefer. I'm sure you will regret not moving years ago.

(on a side note: You can easily solo heroic pit raids with your roster. I don't know what's holding you back.)
cannonfodder_iv
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@Kisermiester Many guilds would be happy to have you and your dad if you're getting your 600 daily tickets. If the group of people you're playing with can't even bother to do that, than you absolutely need to find more committed and like minded players.

I was in a random guild my first six months before I realized how much it was hurting my development in the game. I viewed the Guilds Looking for Players section and found a guild full of like minded and genuinely fun and good people, which turned the GoH experience from good to awesome for me.

You owe it to yourself to do it. You don't owe anything to players who can't be bothered to get 600 tickets per day.
Miketo28
Seasoned Hotshot
5 years ago
I get what the OP is trying to say, but I don't understand why they are deciding to stay in a smaller guild. Raids run less frequently, TB is also a huge disadvantage. With negotiator, malevolence behind get2 and GAS, malak, Hermit Yoda, Wampa behind get1 as well as wat, rolo, probe droid, kit mundi earned within TB events. To be arguing for ways to even it out for raids is irrelevant. TB cannot be levelled out. Get in a guild of 50 members. If your guild of 25 is a great, close knit group then you would br able to maintain that with a merger.

This isn't an individual game, you need a guild that matches your level and goals. I guess if unlocking toons like WAT in 2 years as opposed to one, then stay in your smaller guild.
chriskiser
5 years ago
"Miketo28;c-2078688" wrote:
I get what the OP is trying to say, but I don't understand why they are deciding to stay in a smaller guild. Raids run less frequently, TB is also a huge disadvantage. With negotiator, malevolence behind get2 and GAS, malak, Hermit Yoda, Wampa behind get1 as well as wat, rolo, probe droid, kit mundi earned within TB events. To be arguing for ways to even it out for raids is irrelevant. TB cannot be levelled out. Get in a guild of 50 members. If your guild of 25 is a great, close knit group then you would br able to maintain that with a merger.

This isn't an individual game, you need a guild that matches your level and goals. I guess if unlocking toons like WAT in 2 years as opposed to one, then stay in your smaller guild.

Don't worry, I switched to a larger guild. Was killing me to do so because I didn't want to leave some. This was taring me up and was trying to think of ways that would help smaller guilds to have access to the raids. Even if it was only once a week or two weeks on the harder ones. It was a nightmare just to get enough tickets to play. I'm over it now. But I still feel for the smaller guilds. I will never say that I don't understand their pain. That's for sure. But on the bright side, I am enjoying the benefits of being in a larger guild now. It's making the game much more pleasant as you get to be involved with more and more often.
GifafiTho
5 years ago
Some guilds are more equal than others
chriskiser
5 years ago
I'm starting to realize just how much I was missing out on. I knew it was a good bit, but didn't realize exactly how much until joining a larger guild. Man, I should have done this two years ago!!! For those out there wanting to stick with your peeps, I completely understand. But, I implore you to think twice about it. I don't think the game will change as far as small guilds go. So, merge or join a larger guild. You will be much more happier with the results. It was killing me to the point of wanting to rant. But I've lost out on a lot in two years.

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