GAS event is broken

"TVF;c-2072581" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:


So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

Unlikely /= impossible

Also the event hasn't been open for 3.5 days.

He means that the event is only open for 3 days then disappears for months.

"Ravens1113;c-2072583" wrote:

"TVF;c-2072581" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:


So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

Unlikely /= impossible

Also the event hasn't been open for 3.5 days.

It’s been through 3 times. First pass I didn’t have shak ti or ETA ready. Second attempt I got to P4 on day one and tried every day till the event closed. 3 days. It’s been open half a day this pass. 3.5 days.

Math

Fine, I misread the original comment.

Unlikely still /= impossible. It's possible you've tried it that many times, but unlikely.

"Ravens1113;c-2072585" wrote:

"KyJoe_Cool;c-2072579" wrote:
People here talking about phase 4, and I’m still stuck on phase 2 with this

Padme relic makes a HUGE difference. If you can relic her do it. Worth it

I can’t right now iirc. Don’t have enough gear. Everyone kept saying Ashoka is the one that makes the difference (after GK of course). What do I do now? I’m already at 2 relic toons for this phase of the event.

"Ravens1113;c-2072594" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072575" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072531" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072502" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072478" wrote:


The changes I am referring to are changes to mechanics not kits (reworks). As stated they changes TDs and we saw an effect in an event, here they changed something about the order of operations to prevent crashes in the Sith raid, and we see those changes here.

They have done reworks on characters and it doesnt bleed into events.

Those are 2 different sets of changes. Sorry for the confusion.

Kyno
So, my point is valid then, the event gas, shouldn’t change regardless of any changes to the player gas, that are made. The same as in any other event that occurs. Yet in this case it has.

If this to be the normal practice going forwards, perhaps a dev can comment on this? As Ravens1113 has pointed out, raising toons to higher and higher gear levels to actually fail to get as far as last time, can’t be the intended outcome surely?

Perhaps you could message mr crumb directly as he is conspicuous in his lack of comment to any of the player base, he may respond to yourself.

It is after all a time limited event.
CG_SBCrumb CG_TopHat

Again, the changes made were to fix a bug in a different section of the game, not a direct change to his kit or the event.

They have made other changes to things that have made events easier/harder. This is no different. This is not a change moving forward, but something that has happened before.

So because something was made easier in the past there’s justification to allow something to be more difficult now?

"Gifafi;c-2072510" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072482" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072428" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072293" wrote:
Kyno so your saying it’s ok that the event has changed since last time?

CG_SBCrumb can we have a comment on this please? Disadvantage coded into the game for people trying to unlock this time around? Is that an official policy now?

My comment is based on the fact that it is not a bug or a change to his kit. This does have an effect on the event, but it is hard to tell how broad this is or how much it effect the difference from recommended to actual.

As stated above changes of this nature have always changed how each round of unlocks are, some or most updates and changes to the game make them easier, this one did not. But many players are still showing success, and we do not have all the numbers.

Kyno that’s not the point.

This event was already heavily RNG dependent throughout. P1 and P3 were relatively easy. P2 was a slog but was less RNG than P4. The last wave is incredibly RNG dependent. I’m literally closing in on close to 1,000 attempts (yes I’ve kept a tally...i have no shame). I came close once last time because of perfect RNG but my droideka wasn’t modded with enough offense and was only G12. Last attempt my team was G12+ AV, R2 B2, and Droideka, B1 and magna G12. My gear underwhelming.

This time I’m running the same AV, but R4 B2, R4 B1, R3 Droideka and G12+ magna all modded properly per guides and still I can only kill 5’s before I get slaughtered. Hours and hours spent on an event is not fun. Pushing these toons to higher gears and better mods only to face greater difficulty isn’t ok. The devs need to address this as this is an unfair disadvantage for those who either couldn’t or waited to unlock GAS. That extra attack has immense ripple effects for the rest of the battle

https://media2.giphy.com/media/uVszmkrnXoGM9mXnK6/giphy.gif

So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

I am saying that changes have been made in the game that are not direct changes to a kit or an event, and they have effected the difficulty of an event, just like this change has done.

Yes and changes have both benefited and hurt players through changes. You’re dancing around my main point that the event shouldn’t change. This time GAS is harder due to the change in how his counter works.

Think back to GMY. People slogged through it and then it was tuned to almost nothing on a separate pass. Was that fair to those that had to go through constant waves and a monster GMY? No.

The overall point is that once an event is released it should remain unchanged unless altered in the first pass. They can make an event’s mechanics unique to the event rather than what’s available to us. See B1 in assault battles

Again, they didnt change the event. That's the point that you are trying to make and others have called a bug. It is not a bug and the event was not changed. They made changes to mechanics in battle, which does have an effect here, much like other changes they have made to the game. The current state of GAS is aligned with his kit.

If you want all events to "not change" then shouldnt the toons you are able to use be locked in once an event is released?

"Ravens1113;c-2072605" wrote:

"TVF;c-2072588" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072583" wrote:

"TVF;c-2072581" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:


So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

Unlikely /= impossible

Also the event hasn't been open for 3.5 days.

It’s been through 3 times. First pass I didn’t have shak ti or ETA ready. Second attempt I got to P4 on day one and tried every day till the event closed. 3 days. It’s been open half a day this pass. 3.5 days.

Math

Fine, I misread the original comment.

Unlikely still /= impossible. It's possible you've tried it that many times, but unlikely.

I just went through the even 97 times in 2 hours. So you mean to tell me that trying 16 hours out of a possible 84 hours couldn’t likely yield close to a thousand attempts depending on how fast the attempts go? Some being an immediate retreat due to dazes, stuns, turn order of the enemy, abilities used, assists and uniques activating?

Never said it couldn't.

Anyway we're going in circles over something irrelevant to the thread. Good luck on attempt 1001.

"Kyno;c-2072602" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072594" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072575" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072531" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072502" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072478" wrote:


The changes I am referring to are changes to mechanics not kits (reworks). As stated they changes TDs and we saw an effect in an event, here they changed something about the order of operations to prevent crashes in the Sith raid, and we see those changes here.

They have done reworks on characters and it doesnt bleed into events.

Those are 2 different sets of changes. Sorry for the confusion.

Kyno
So, my point is valid then, the event gas, shouldn’t change regardless of any changes to the player gas, that are made. The same as in any other event that occurs. Yet in this case it has.

If this to be the normal practice going forwards, perhaps a dev can comment on this? As Ravens1113 has pointed out, raising toons to higher and higher gear levels to actually fail to get as far as last time, can’t be the intended outcome surely?

Perhaps you could message mr crumb directly as he is conspicuous in his lack of comment to any of the player base, he may respond to yourself.

It is after all a time limited event.
CG_SBCrumb CG_TopHat

Again, the changes made were to fix a bug in a different section of the game, not a direct change to his kit or the event.

They have made other changes to things that have made events easier/harder. This is no different. This is not a change moving forward, but something that has happened before.

So because something was made easier in the past there’s justification to allow something to be more difficult now?

"Gifafi;c-2072510" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072482" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072428" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072293" wrote:
Kyno so your saying it’s ok that the event has changed since last time?

CG_SBCrumb can we have a comment on this please? Disadvantage coded into the game for people trying to unlock this time around? Is that an official policy now?

My comment is based on the fact that it is not a bug or a change to his kit. This does have an effect on the event, but it is hard to tell how broad this is or how much it effect the difference from recommended to actual.

As stated above changes of this nature have always changed how each round of unlocks are, some or most updates and changes to the game make them easier, this one did not. But many players are still showing success, and we do not have all the numbers.

Kyno that’s not the point.

This event was already heavily RNG dependent throughout. P1 and P3 were relatively easy. P2 was a slog but was less RNG than P4. The last wave is incredibly RNG dependent. I’m literally closing in on close to 1,000 attempts (yes I’ve kept a tally...i have no shame). I came close once last time because of perfect RNG but my droideka wasn’t modded with enough offense and was only G12. Last attempt my team was G12+ AV, R2 B2, and Droideka, B1 and magna G12. My gear underwhelming.

This time I’m running the same AV, but R4 B2, R4 B1, R3 Droideka and G12+ magna all modded properly per guides and still I can only kill 5’s before I get slaughtered. Hours and hours spent on an event is not fun. Pushing these toons to higher gears and better mods only to face greater difficulty isn’t ok. The devs need to address this as this is an unfair disadvantage for those who either couldn’t or waited to unlock GAS. That extra attack has immense ripple effects for the rest of the battle

https://media2.giphy.com/media/uVszmkrnXoGM9mXnK6/giphy.gif

So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

I am saying that changes have been made in the game that are not direct changes to a kit or an event, and they have effected the difficulty of an event, just like this change has done.

Yes and changes have both benefited and hurt players through changes. You’re dancing around my main point that the event shouldn’t change. This time GAS is harder due to the change in how his counter works.

Think back to GMY. People slogged through it and then it was tuned to almost nothing on a separate pass. Was that fair to those that had to go through constant waves and a monster GMY? No.

The overall point is that once an event is released it should remain unchanged unless altered in the first pass. They can make an event’s mechanics unique to the event rather than what’s available to us. See B1 in assault battles

Again, they didnt change the event. That's the point that you are trying to make and others have called a bug. It is not a bug and the event was not changed. They made changes to mechanics in battle, which does have an effect here, much like other changes they have made to the game. The current state of GAS is aligned with his kit.

If you want all events to "not change" then shouldnt the toons you are able to use be locked in once an event is released?

Serious question, cause you keep saying that the change is not directly tied to GAS’ kit and that it’s a global mechanics change.

Did the change affect any other toon besides GAS? I haven’t seen anything about any other toon being affected, so am just curious.

"Damodamo;c-2072558" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-2072519" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072515" wrote:
@Gifafi i personally have spent nearly 10 hours trying today to clear p4, of around 25-30 mins each hour (working from home, waiting for reports to run) at around 2mins max per attempt, average obviously, so at least 150 attempts over the 5 hours of playing time. I know I’ve had to charge my phone 7 times so far today :/

what are your stats/strats? maybe some advice can help

and who doesn't just leave their phone plugged in while working from home?? (jk...mostly)

Av is r6, magna is r2, b1 is r5 droideka is g12, 2 of the left pieces, one of the right, b2 is g12 +2.. mods I’ve tried fast droideka, slow droideka, arena mods all over the ship on different ones.. it’s all a joy.
Strategy is to kneel gas, 5s then echo then rex then arc.. only use aoe if magna is taunting, otherwise basics, best I’ve done so far (consistently) is 5s, echo and arc dead then gas stands up and beasts me..

Feel free to check out my gg and make any suggestions :)

https://swgoh.gg/p/897311786/


My charger isn’t near my couch ;)

ok, I took a look. droideka doesn't crit iirc so get rid of cd triangle, he needs offense mods and offense, maybe some prot on the circle.
AV - needs more offense I think, also matching mods
B1 doesn't have a full offense set and I think offense is better than a pot cross. offense triangle too, he doesn't need any health. more offense secondaries too
Magna looks ok i think
b2 needs more potency, you also don't have full sets of mods (matching I mean)

looks like none of them have matching sets of mods so you are losing a lot of bonuses. You need 4 offense, sets of 2 potency, etc. Also, 6e would help as you miss big bonuses with relic'd toons without the much higher %'s, etc

you can also try some tenacity bc if the droids, esp droideka, get dazed you're not going to have a good time

"Ravens1113;c-2072595" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-2072519" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072515" wrote:
@Gifafi i personally have spent nearly 10 hours trying today to clear p4, of around 25-30 mins each hour (working from home, waiting for reports to run) at around 2mins max per attempt, average obviously, so at least 150 attempts over the 5 hours of playing time. I know I’ve had to charge my phone 7 times so far today :/

what are your stats/strats? maybe some advice can help

and who doesn't just leave their phone plugged in while working from home?? (jk...mostly)

How about offering some advice instead of being sarcastic and condescending. That would be a breath of fresh air from your usual posts

I literally just asked in order to give advice, and you quoted that to tell me to give advice? lol are you ok?

"ZAP;c-2072615" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072602" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072594" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072575" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072531" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072502" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072478" wrote:


The changes I am referring to are changes to mechanics not kits (reworks). As stated they changes TDs and we saw an effect in an event, here they changed something about the order of operations to prevent crashes in the Sith raid, and we see those changes here.

They have done reworks on characters and it doesnt bleed into events.

Those are 2 different sets of changes. Sorry for the confusion.

Kyno
So, my point is valid then, the event gas, shouldn’t change regardless of any changes to the player gas, that are made. The same as in any other event that occurs. Yet in this case it has.

If this to be the normal practice going forwards, perhaps a dev can comment on this? As Ravens1113 has pointed out, raising toons to higher and higher gear levels to actually fail to get as far as last time, can’t be the intended outcome surely?

Perhaps you could message mr crumb directly as he is conspicuous in his lack of comment to any of the player base, he may respond to yourself.

It is after all a time limited event.
CG_SBCrumb CG_TopHat

Again, the changes made were to fix a bug in a different section of the game, not a direct change to his kit or the event.

They have made other changes to things that have made events easier/harder. This is no different. This is not a change moving forward, but something that has happened before.

So because something was made easier in the past there’s justification to allow something to be more difficult now?

"Gifafi;c-2072510" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072482" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072428" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072293" wrote:
Kyno so your saying it’s ok that the event has changed since last time?

CG_SBCrumb can we have a comment on this please? Disadvantage coded into the game for people trying to unlock this time around? Is that an official policy now?

My comment is based on the fact that it is not a bug or a change to his kit. This does have an effect on the event, but it is hard to tell how broad this is or how much it effect the difference from recommended to actual.

As stated above changes of this nature have always changed how each round of unlocks are, some or most updates and changes to the game make them easier, this one did not. But many players are still showing success, and we do not have all the numbers.

Kyno that’s not the point.

This event was already heavily RNG dependent throughout. P1 and P3 were relatively easy. P2 was a slog but was less RNG than P4. The last wave is incredibly RNG dependent. I’m literally closing in on close to 1,000 attempts (yes I’ve kept a tally...i have no shame). I came close once last time because of perfect RNG but my droideka wasn’t modded with enough offense and was only G12. Last attempt my team was G12+ AV, R2 B2, and Droideka, B1 and magna G12. My gear underwhelming.

This time I’m running the same AV, but R4 B2, R4 B1, R3 Droideka and G12+ magna all modded properly per guides and still I can only kill 5’s before I get slaughtered. Hours and hours spent on an event is not fun. Pushing these toons to higher gears and better mods only to face greater difficulty isn’t ok. The devs need to address this as this is an unfair disadvantage for those who either couldn’t or waited to unlock GAS. That extra attack has immense ripple effects for the rest of the battle

https://media2.giphy.com/media/uVszmkrnXoGM9mXnK6/giphy.gif

So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

I am saying that changes have been made in the game that are not direct changes to a kit or an event, and they have effected the difficulty of an event, just like this change has done.

Yes and changes have both benefited and hurt players through changes. You’re dancing around my main point that the event shouldn’t change. This time GAS is harder due to the change in how his counter works.

Think back to GMY. People slogged through it and then it was tuned to almost nothing on a separate pass. Was that fair to those that had to go through constant waves and a monster GMY? No.

The overall point is that once an event is released it should remain unchanged unless altered in the first pass. They can make an event’s mechanics unique to the event rather than what’s available to us. See B1 in assault battles

Again, they didnt change the event. That's the point that you are trying to make and others have called a bug. It is not a bug and the event was not changed. They made changes to mechanics in battle, which does have an effect here, much like other changes they have made to the game. The current state of GAS is aligned with his kit.

If you want all events to "not change" then shouldnt the toons you are able to use be locked in once an event is released?

Serious question, cause you keep saying that the change is not directly tied to GAS’ kit and that it’s a global mechanics change.

Did the change affect any other toon besides GAS? I haven’t seen anything about any other toon being affected, so am just curious.

Yes it did. The change was to the order of operations in battle, so it effects all toons and battles. This may not be something that matters on other battles, like mass counterattacks, but the change is there.

"Ravens1113;c-2072612" wrote:

"TVF;c-2072607" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072605" wrote:

"TVF;c-2072588" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072583" wrote:

"TVF;c-2072581" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:


So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

Unlikely /= impossible

Also the event hasn't been open for 3.5 days.

It’s been through 3 times. First pass I didn’t have shak ti or ETA ready. Second attempt I got to P4 on day one and tried every day till the event closed. 3 days. It’s been open half a day this pass. 3.5 days.

Math

Fine, I misread the original comment.

Unlikely still /= impossible. It's possible you've tried it that many times, but unlikely.

I just went through the even 97 times in 2 hours. So you mean to tell me that trying 16 hours out of a possible 84 hours couldn’t likely yield close to a thousand attempts depending on how fast the attempts go? Some being an immediate retreat due to dazes, stuns, turn order of the enemy, abilities used, assists and uniques activating?

Never said it couldn't.

Anyway we're going in circles over something irrelevant to the thread. Good luck on attempt 1001.

At this rate my luck won’t change. Care to break the circle and offer any insight on P4? Mods? Gear levels?

I had R3 AV, R4 B1, G13 Droideka, G12 B2 and Magna. Don't remember mods or strat, I got it first time so it's been quite a while now ;)

I do remember struggling a bunch and then getting it second try after taking Droideka to G13.

"Ravens1113;c-2072610" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072602" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072594" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072575" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072537" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072531" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072502" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072478" wrote:


The changes I am referring to are changes to mechanics not kits (reworks). As stated they changes TDs and we saw an effect in an event, here they changed something about the order of operations to prevent crashes in the Sith raid, and we see those changes here.

They have done reworks on characters and it doesnt bleed into events.

Those are 2 different sets of changes. Sorry for the confusion.

Kyno
So, my point is valid then, the event gas, shouldn’t change regardless of any changes to the player gas, that are made. The same as in any other event that occurs. Yet in this case it has.

If this to be the normal practice going forwards, perhaps a dev can comment on this? As Ravens1113 has pointed out, raising toons to higher and higher gear levels to actually fail to get as far as last time, can’t be the intended outcome surely?

Perhaps you could message mr crumb directly as he is conspicuous in his lack of comment to any of the player base, he may respond to yourself.

It is after all a time limited event.
CG_SBCrumb CG_TopHat

Again, the changes made were to fix a bug in a different section of the game, not a direct change to his kit or the event.

They have made other changes to things that have made events easier/harder. This is no different. This is not a change moving forward, but something that has happened before.

So because something was made easier in the past there’s justification to allow something to be more difficult now?

"Gifafi;c-2072510" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2072482" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2072428" wrote:

"Damodamo;c-2072293" wrote:
Kyno so your saying it’s ok that the event has changed since last time?

CG_SBCrumb can we have a comment on this please? Disadvantage coded into the game for people trying to unlock this time around? Is that an official policy now?

My comment is based on the fact that it is not a bug or a change to his kit. This does have an effect on the event, but it is hard to tell how broad this is or how much it effect the difference from recommended to actual.

As stated above changes of this nature have always changed how each round of unlocks are, some or most updates and changes to the game make them easier, this one did not. But many players are still showing success, and we do not have all the numbers.

Kyno that’s not the point.

This event was already heavily RNG dependent throughout. P1 and P3 were relatively easy. P2 was a slog but was less RNG than P4. The last wave is incredibly RNG dependent. I’m literally closing in on close to 1,000 attempts (yes I’ve kept a tally...i have no shame). I came close once last time because of perfect RNG but my droideka wasn’t modded with enough offense and was only G12. Last attempt my team was G12+ AV, R2 B2, and Droideka, B1 and magna G12. My gear underwhelming.

This time I’m running the same AV, but R4 B2, R4 B1, R3 Droideka and G12+ magna all modded properly per guides and still I can only kill 5’s before I get slaughtered. Hours and hours spent on an event is not fun. Pushing these toons to higher gears and better mods only to face greater difficulty isn’t ok. The devs need to address this as this is an unfair disadvantage for those who either couldn’t or waited to unlock GAS. That extra attack has immense ripple effects for the rest of the battle

https://media2.giphy.com/media/uVszmkrnXoGM9mXnK6/giphy.gif

So you mean to tell me with how RNG dependent this thing is, over a period of 3.5 days that it’s impossible to play this event that often? Wow...

I am saying that changes have been made in the game that are not direct changes to a kit or an event, and they have effected the difficulty of an event, just like this change has done.

Yes and changes have both benefited and hurt players through changes. You’re dancing around my main point that the event shouldn’t change. This time GAS is harder due to the change in how his counter works.

Think back to GMY. People slogged through it and then it was tuned to almost nothing on a separate pass. Was that fair to those that had to go through constant waves and a monster GMY? No.

The overall point is that once an event is released it should remain unchanged unless altered in the first pass. They can make an event’s mechanics unique to the event rather than what’s available to us. See B1 in assault battles

Again, they didnt change the event. That's the point that you are trying to make and others have called a bug. It is not a bug and the event was not changed. They made changes to mechanics in battle, which does have an effect here, much like other changes they have made to the game. The current state of GAS is aligned with his kit.

If you want all events to "not change" then shouldnt the toons you are able to use be locked in once an event is released?

The event did change lol. In the previous events, GAS would not counter prior to covering. GAS doesn’t hit like a wet noodle. He delivers anywhere from 30-45k damage depending on who he’s hitting. In the last two runs he didn’t do that. This time he does. Ergo a new mechanic due to changes in how his counter triggers

And no, locking our rosters isn’t the same thing. That would create an impossibility for some to ever try the event in that situation, so your comparison is fundamentally flawed.

I’ll repeat myself though. In the past when events have changed, whether easier or more difficult, it isn’t fair. If made easier, not fair to those who had to grind and slog through insane events. If made more difficult, it’s unfair to those who grinded gear and built rosters only to have the goal posts moved.

Bottom line is that changing an aspect of the event, easier or more difficult isn’t fair to the players who spend time, money and in game resources to prepare for the events that the devs set. They can make an events mechanics unique separate from the rest of the game. Again see B1 in game compared to assault battles

The battle sequence changing due to changes made in the game have happened, but the event itself was not changed directly.

The B1 you see is a kit change, that is what makes him different. You are talking about game mechanics being different in an event than in the rest of the game, that is 2 different things.

Of all the changes we see to make events different, they dont change game mechanics, they make adjustments to make NPCs.

Again, if you concerned with the fairness for all players, why not propose that all toons are locked in for the release of an event. Is it fair that players now can use more viable or stronger toons to unlock toons now?
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Are players being forced beyond the recommended strength for the event?