Grand Arena GP unfair

No, they just removed fleet GP from calculations when fleets arent being used. People are still complaining about GP matchmaking because they made different choices and GA makes each of us face our choices and see how they compete.

IMO the stupidest idea is the pick what toons you want to include in your GA GP calculation. Or the take only the top 50% of your GP, etc etc etc. Stupid ideas made by people who want the game to pander to them, instead of facing their choices and trying to improve.

We may have the best system right now for matching by GP. Keeps it pretty straightforward and removing fleet GP from non fleet arenas was good.

My only issue is that the game encouraged us for a year or so with territory battles to develop our whole roster out to get as much GP as possible, and now this is the complete opposite and punishing players that did that. Players that left all the characters they don't use at low levels and gear are at a heavy advantage. Probably is what it is though, and I can't think of any solution to correct this.

"Mzee;c-1802354" wrote:
We may have the best system right now for matching by GP. Keeps it pretty straightforward and removing fleet GP from non fleet arenas was good.

My only issue is that the game encouraged us for a year or so with territory battles to develop our whole roster out to get as much GP as possible, and now this is the complete opposite and punishing players that did that. Players that left all the characters they don't use at low levels and gear are at a heavy advantage. Probably is what it is though, and I can't think of any solution to correct this.

The effect on match-making in GA is the same as it was on match-making in TW before GA was introduced. It's nothing new. Many players simply didn't realise this effect in the guild event.

So EA guys, how is it fair, in a 3v3 GA, where 3*6*2 = 36 chars are involved (defense+offense) to match a player who has 1 single char G11, and 1-2 chars G10, a few G9, and rest G8, with someone who has 40+ G12 chars fully geared and modded? (This is the case currently in this GA event. I am neither of the 2 examples above, but I am also pretty low on G12 chars :) )

Someone said those two players invested the same amount of resources? Are you crazy? You compare (20 sets) mk4 keyboards which you get for free and which are pretty much the only thing needed to get to G8, with the (50 sets) stun guns and stun
cufs and furnaces and gold gear you need for g12??
If the fights could be 10 vs 1, I am pretty sure 10 G8 chars could not beat 1 single maxed G12 char. Or as it could be tested today, 10 G8 teams will never beat 1 G12 team.

What I want to say, is not that matchmaking based on GP is bad, you have to base it on something, but:
- maybe the GP is calculated really poorly, I think GP for a char going from G8 to 9, 10, 11, 12 should be exponential.
- maybe not all chars should be counted, but only the best ones who are likely to participate in the event

I understand EA wants to favour paying customers, but you should just go ahead and give them gear for free, not frustrate all the other players...

"knox_md;c-1848628" wrote:
So EA guys, how is it fair, in a 3v3 GA, where 3*6*2 = 36 chars are involved (defense+offense) to match a player who has 1 single char G11, and 1-2 chars G10, a few G9, and rest G8, with someone who has 40+ G12 chars fully geared and modded? (This is the case currently in this GA event. I am neither of the 2 examples above, but I am also pretty low on G12 chars :) )

It's perfectly fair to let the player, who developed the stronger roster benefit from it. Giving the player with the weaker roster the advantage of an even (and easier) match-up wouldn't be fair. Even and fair are two different things.

I am curious if someone knows what is the EA vision related to the players of this game. For example what would they want players to do: try to collect all chars? Or avoid collecting to many chars? Try to collect chars only if it is possible to also level them to G12? Participate in events? Or not participate?
I am thinking they should have an idea about where they want to direct players besides making them pay more money... To me the only clear thing that stands out is they try to annoy players:
- give meaningless rewards in all sorts of events (e.g. give me only 2 piece of a completely useless gear I already have 2000+ in an event that comes one a month)
- make as many bad offers in shops as possible (e.g. cost of energy packs is higher than if you refresh daily, they have for sale the same useless gear I was mentioning above, cost of buying chars shards is many times higher than if you refresh node attempts)
- unfair matchmaking in GA,
- limit available useful gear, but give you "for free" plenty of gear you can never use.
- same with upgrade materials (what is the reason of having the white and green ability upgrade materials?),
- penalize you if you upgrade your characters (e.g. in GA, once it was the same for Galactic Wars)

If this is all they care about, I have some ideas about this as well, how about:
- introduce a new type of event where they can take away one of your chars and if you want it back you can farm it again for 3-4 months
- once a month downgrade a random char to G1
- once a week take away all your unused gear
- add a number of new rewards: some rare materials that are never required by any char at all, and make sure to also add them in shop and make them very expensive
- ...

Like I said, I am pretty sure their only idea is "frustrate players into paying money".
I am not sure how many of you played games like StarCraft: the matchmaking there was (is) unbelievable, since like 10 years ago, and also, it you thought you made a bad decision about your play style, units upgrade path... you could change that decision 5 minutes later, in the next game. In this case, you can also change your decision about how to invest and upgrade your characters, only it takes 2 years :))

In this GA I am actually the only one with a Revan and/or with a Millenium Falcon. Guess who does not look forward to it at all - this is going to be boring for three opponents and myself. At 3.1M GP this is pretty unusual. Should I (as a f2p) be matched with a whale because my fellow f2p failed to get a competitive roster? At some point you have to hold yourself responsible for the roster you developed. GA has been introduced about half a year ago and i still see people enlarging their fluff but complaining at the same time. Of course matchmaking is not perfect, but besides some known issues the devs are not responsible for guiding anybodys account development.

"knox_md;c-1848648" wrote:
Like I said, I am pretty sure their only idea is "frustrate players into paying money".

And that isn't really a good long-term strategy to bind your customers!

I worked over ten years for sales and distribution, and a main key for success and satisified customers was that they should LOVE the purchase they made! And honestly, if someone just bought sth. out of frustration, it will be regret most of the time shortly after. These aren't good feelings connected to a specific buy, and won't very likely let you buy anything else from this store again soon.

So our sales assistents were instructed NOT to force someone to buy anything BUT to help them to find, what they need AND to go home with a good feeling after purchasing. That's how you transform 1-time-buyers into loyal customers ;)

Perhaps it would be a good idea for CG using a similar strategy within swgoh too, and instead of counting on "frustration purchases" they should sell some real incentives without punishing everyone else?

"rokota;c-1848748" wrote:

"knox_md;c-1848648" wrote:
Like I said, I am pretty sure their only idea is "frustrate players into paying money".

And that isn't really a good long-term strategy to bind your customers!

I worked over ten years for sales and distribution, and a main key for success and satisified customers was that they should LOVE the purchase they made! And honestly, if someone just bought sth. out of frustration, it will be regret most of the time shortly after. These aren't good feelings connected to a specific buy, and won't very likely let you buy anything else from this store again soon.

So our sales assistents were instructed NOT to force someone to buy anything BUT to help them to find, what they need AND to go home with a good feeling after purchasing. That's how you transform 1-time-buyers into loyal customers ;)

Perhaps it would be a good idea for CG using a similar strategy within swgoh too, and instead of counting on "frustration purchases" they should sell some real incentives without punishing everyone else?

Well, the video game industry is built on a very short life cycle, so I’d imagine their marketing strategies are more of a “get what you can while you can,” in which case it makes more sense to frustrate players into making impulse buys. Which they can do, since they have a super hot IP right now. I don’t know if most developers plan on their games lasting for more than a few years. I think that’s a mistake in the case of this game, because they’ve got a product that can last. Unfortunately they didn’t know that when it first rolled out, and once you start having success with one business model it’s tough to change it.
For example, imagine if they added a bunch of new content that required a subscription to play (new raids, etc). Would the whales be upset that they couldn’t buy as big of an advantage over other players? Would the FTP be upset that they were actually locked out of content (rather than just being forced to wait longer)? Would the gains outweigh the costs? That’s an awful big risk to take if you know your market strategy is already working.