Is there a bug with GW matchmaking?

"FerLandrossa;c-1703537" wrote:

It is frustrating, because you probably have been doing ok but have now reached the tipping point, when you begin to hit unbeatable teams. every. single. GW.

The goalposts no longer keep moving like they used to. Every team has a counter and by broadening your roster you will get over these hurdles. Eventually. Good luck.

Under normal circumstances this would be valid advice. And it still is to a certain extent. Only question is how do you explain to a new player (or player with an alt account) who just hit GW at level 40 with a top 5 in the 10-11K range having to face a team with 25K GP on battle 7??

"Waqui;c-1703527" wrote:

Complaints with no details and no documentation is just noise and won't be taken seriously by the devs. Complaints when there's not problem and everything is working as intended is just noise. Those types of complaints just water everything down, and may cover the complaints where the complainer may have a point.

That's why I suggested in another thread to just post pics with data and the numbers that are available so it can be seen clearly. I'm getting just as frustrated with some of the complaints (though DeVito has been more helpful than others) that just muddy the waters. Don't need to talk about synergy opponents , as there has never been anything in the algorithm about that.

And I guess my only real question is not how the matchmaking system works or what not. It is "Should this opponent be on this GW node for the player account in question?"

Now, if it IS supposed to be a level 80 team with 75K GP going against that level 64 guy with 30K GP top 5, we can delve further into that.

"BucMan55;c-1703552" wrote:

Now, if it IS supposed to be a level 80 team with 75K GP going against that level 64 guy with 30K GP top 5, we can delve further into that.

If those match—ups are intentional / as designed, then it's not a bug seeing them. You may want / request a redesign, but that's not the same thing as a bug fix. OP discusses a possible bug.

"BucMan55;c-1703548" wrote:

"FerLandrossa;c-1703537" wrote:

It is frustrating, because you probably have been doing ok but have now reached the tipping point, when you begin to hit unbeatable teams. every. single. GW.

The goalposts no longer keep moving like they used to. Every team has a counter and by broadening your roster you will get over these hurdles. Eventually. Good luck.

Under normal circumstances this would be valid advice. And it still is to a certain extent. Only question is how do you explain to a new player (or player with an alt account) who just hit GW at level 40 with a top 5 in the 10-11K range having to face a team with 25K GP on battle 7??

You have to start to rely on more than just one squad. No other way.

There are also many tricks that can help you. You may, or may not know these. I don't mean to insult if you do, but these all help, so worth knowing.

Preload best toons with TM in early phases and dont leave their specials on cooldown.

Exit and restart if the battle doesnt unfold as needed (you can do this as many times as you like).

Try different attack combos next time; the exact same events and turns always happen the same way from the AI unless you change your own choices. That sometimes means you'll end up beating a squad if you choose a less obvious move for yourself making the AI do something different like taunt unstead of attack.

Try different slot positions. Have a toon that will counter attack but AI is targeting someone else first? Your mass assist caller always gets picked on and stunned out the blocks? Exit, switch the slot in the squad those toons are in. Use the exact same lineup. The AI usually ends up hitting the toon you might want it to now instead.

Likewise, stick a dud in see where the AI hits, restart and move to the correct spot to soak up an early powerful enemy attack or special.

If you can't defeat the whole enemy squad, what about the leader. They'll loose their lead ability when you come round for a 2nd pass.

Having toons like wedge/biggs sitting on some TM can make them beat up a leader in a difficult squad opening a way for another squad to push through.

Yes, your enemy is stronger. But you have more toons, infinite re-do's and the AI's choices are the same and can be manipulated.

"BucMan55;c-1703552" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1703527" wrote:

Complaints with no details and no documentation is just noise and won't be taken seriously by the devs. Complaints when there's not problem and everything is working as intended is just noise. Those types of complaints just water everything down, and may cover the complaints where the complainer may have a point.

That's why I suggested in another thread to just post pics with data and the numbers that are available so it can be seen clearly. I'm getting just as frustrated with some of the complaints (though DeVito has been more helpful than others) that just muddy the waters. Don't need to talk about synergy opponents , as there has never been anything in the algorithm about that.

And I guess my only real question is not how the matchmaking system works or what not. It is "Should this opponent be on this GW node for the player account in question?"

Now, if it IS supposed to be a level 80 team with 75K GP going against that level 64 guy with 30K GP top 5, we can delve further into that.

one minor issue with your evidence is that the current GP is not relative to the matching. The matching is based on the old power system and the values are very different, and may be numerically closer than we are seeing today.

I would have to look back, but there was a post a while back that the devs said was close to the actual system based all on analysis of the power of each team. The basis is that you have a rated power (either top 5 or arena team power, it's not clear since they are usually within the margin of error difference of each other), then nodes are based on % of this value. There are several nodes that are above 100%.

GW is it's own mode and has it's own strategy, older players have faced a lot of challenges with this mode and should not be discounted. Many players dont utilize specific strategies that are designed to help you get through it and the rewards it offers are not enough for new players to develop specific to that game mode.

I have run an alt account and went through GW, only hitting 85 about 2 months ago. It doesnt seem to have changed at all.

Anyone thinking there is a bug, posting and collecting data here, is kind of pointless. This needs to be posted at Answers HQ and all that evidence needs to be there to get it the attention you think it deserves.

"Kyno;c-1703574" wrote:


one minor issue with your evidence is that the current GP is not relative to the matching. The matching is based on the old power system and the values are very different, and may be numerically closer than we are seeing today.

I would have to look back, but there was a post a while back that the devs said was close to the actual system based all on analysis of the power of each team. The basis is that you have a rated power (either top 5 or arena team power, it's not clear since they are usually within the margin of error difference of each other), then nodes are based on % of this value. There are several nodes that are above 100%.

GW is it's own mode and has it's own strategy, older players have faced a lot of challenges with this mode and should not be discounted. Many players dont utilize specific strategies that are designed to help you get through it and the rewards it offers are not enough for new players to develop specific to that game mode.

I have run an alt account and went through GW, only hitting 85 about 2 months ago. It doesnt seem to have changed at all.

Anyone thinking there is a bug, posting and collecting data here, is kind of pointless. This needs to be posted at Answers HQ and all that evidence needs to be there to get it the attention you think it deserves.

Yes i am aware of that differences in what data the GW system uses vs what we are able to see. The stat power vs galactic power would in my opinion offer minor percentage in what we can expect to see per node based on the research and what we are actually seeing. When the research says battle 1 is supposed to be 60% of your GP(which is all they had to use to research it) and they got that number over the course of dozens of battle 1 examples, I would assume it is pretty close to accurate. When people are getting teams at battle 1 with 150% the GP of their top 5, I would think something is wrong.


I got to level 85 well after your alt account did(early November) and had GW ready to sim when I got there. I got that many completions by doing exactly what you and others suggested earlier regarding strats and squad building. I never saw these supremely overpowered teams until early October.


Unfortunately those starting their accounts since this issue started don't have that benefit. They are just hitting brick walls that no amount of squad diversity or focus or what not will solve. It is happening from fresh GW all the way thru to those at 85. I'm seeing it on my main account now but at least if it is insurmountable I have the luxury of hitting sim. My top 5 is 60K now and I am talking about teams 90K+. According to the research, I shouldn't be seeing any teams on any node more than 15% my top 5 power. (node 12 is highest at 15%) Which would max out at about 70K. I haven't seen them on node 1 yet but have on nodes 2 all the way thru 12.

I have sent this to the Answers HQ.

"BucMan55;c-1703585" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1703574" wrote:


one minor issue with your evidence is that the current GP is not relative to the matching. The matching is based on the old power system and the values are very different, and may be numerically closer than we are seeing today.

I would have to look back, but there was a post a while back that the devs said was close to the actual system based all on analysis of the power of each team. The basis is that you have a rated power (either top 5 or arena team power, it's not clear since they are usually within the margin of error difference of each other), then nodes are based on % of this value. There are several nodes that are above 100%.

GW is it's own mode and has it's own strategy, older players have faced a lot of challenges with this mode and should not be discounted. Many players dont utilize specific strategies that are designed to help you get through it and the rewards it offers are not enough for new players to develop specific to that game mode.

I have run an alt account and went through GW, only hitting 85 about 2 months ago. It doesnt seem to have changed at all.

Anyone thinking there is a bug, posting and collecting data here, is kind of pointless. This needs to be posted at Answers HQ and all that evidence needs to be there to get it the attention you think it deserves.

Yes i am aware of that differences in what data the GW system uses vs what we are able to see. The stat power vs galactic power would in my opinion offer minor percentage in what we can expect to see per node based on the research and what we are actually seeing. When the research says battle 1 is supposed to be 60% of your GP(which is all they had to use to research it) and they got that number over the course of dozens of battle 1 examples, I would assume it is pretty close to accurate. When people are getting teams at battle 1 with 150% the GP of their top 5, I would think something is wrong.


I got to level 85 well after your alt account did(early November) and had GW ready to sim when I got there. I got that many completions by doing exactly what you and others suggested earlier regarding strats and squad building. I never saw these supremely overpowered teams until early October.


Unfortunately those starting their accounts since this issue started don't have that benefit. They are just hitting brick walls that no amount of squad diversity or focus or what not will solve. It is happening from fresh GW all the way thru to those at 85. I'm seeing it on my main account now but at least if it is insurmountable I have the luxury of hitting sim. My top 5 is 60K now and I am talking about teams 90K+. According to the research, I shouldn't be seeing any teams on any node more than 15% my top 5 power. (node 12 is highest at 15%) Which would max out at about 70K. I haven't seen them on node 1 yet but have on nodes 2 all the way thru 12.

I have sent this to the Answers HQ.

Basing things on assumptions is never a good idea. The power rating system changed drastically and includes factors that were not included before. They are not relative to each other in any way, and that is an issue when you assume they are.

Also, please post the link to your Answers HQ post so others can add information there. It will be more effective.

From the anecdotes I have seen, something does seem out of whack to me ...

or they intentionally changed the algorithm.

"Waqui;c-1701518" wrote:
Arena teams have nothing to do with GW matchmaking. Neither does GP. Matchmaking is still based on the old power rating called stat power of your 5 highest power toons — disregarding what your arena team is. One difference between GP and stat power is, that zetas don't influence stat power.

I believe the first problem here is to understand how GW matchmaking is actually designed/implemented.

If what you're saying is true (is there an official post where the Devs have explained this?) then your response is not really a defense of GW working correctly, but rather an identification of what is wrong. Regardless of what the methodology is that is being used, it is broken and needs to be fixed because it is producing match-ups that are completely insane and impossible. That is true whether they are using GP or stat power.

"Huatimus;c-1701536" wrote:
Until you can see Stat Power again, you can't definitively claim that there's a bug. I believe someone has already logged it at Answers HQ anyway.

I disagree. Unless the Devs intention is to create impossible match-ups for people in GW, then the fact that impossible match-ups are taking place is evidence of a bug... at least in terms of game-play, if not in the actual product of the code as well.