It's time to balance Baze/Chirrut

"StarSon;c-1059046" wrote:

"Waez;c-1059039" wrote:

"Waez;c-1059001" wrote:

"StarSon;c-1058995" wrote:

"Waez;c-1058975" wrote:

If you think nerfs are bad in a game, take a look at, I don't know, every single competitive game out there.

Just because other games do it, doesn't mean it's the best solution.

Lol what kind of advanced denial is that
That's how you end up as the only country not using the metric system.

So you would just have them do what every other game does for anything without any thought put into it then? Your argument is that Bobby jumped off the bridge, so I should too, because that's the best decision?

What a terrible analogy. You can't just say that it's "jumping off the bridge because someone else jumped".

Every single competitive game uses nerfs because:

- Nerfs balance gameplay and make things more enjoyable for everyone. This creates diversity for players to choose from. It allows more possibilities, more play styles, more GAME. Because that's what a game is about, fun, using different characters and strategies, always trying to perfect your skills.

- Nerfs prevent power creep. If you say there's no power creep in SWGOH, then I admire you, because you can reach a level of denial that I didn't even know was possible.

I honestly don't know how you can say that nerfs are a bad thing and that every single competitive game is wrong. I really don't know.

You make a lot of assumptions here. First of all, I didn't make the analogy, you did. You say that because "every other competitive game" (which I doubt, by the way) uses nerfs for balance, SWGOH should too. That is literally the same thing as the bridge jumping.

But, to your specific points:

- Maybe they don't make it more enjoyable for everyone. In this game, you had to spend THOUSANDS of dollars to get Chaze up and running. To then turn around and nerf those characters would make the game much less fun for the portion of your playerbase that is funding your game. Further, you don't need Chaze to beat Chaze. I have zero problems with Chaze, and do not have them. Sounds like I used some strategy and skills for that, eh?
- I never said there is no power creep. 100% there is. A little further up I mentioned that I think that's the correct way to handle it. New characters are released, making previously requested nerfs irrelevant, and then they rework existing characters to keep things in line. So far it seems to be working just fine.

And really, I never said that every single competitive game is wrong. Nerfs in this game, as has been previously well documented, are bad. Which is my entire point in the bridge jumping analogy. Just because someone else is doing a thing, does not mean that is the best thing in every situation. Sometimes it is, but you can't just go "oh, hurr durr, they do it let's do it too!"

So we're circling back to my first point, which is that power creep is worse than nerfs.
Everyone but whales lose.

Instead of having a new, healthier environment where Chaze were nerfed and we had more room for diversity, EA creates counter toons that end up as the only viable option.

Look at R2: People put him in Rex teams to counter ZMaul. That doesn't prevent ZMaul from shitting all over every other team.
By introducing R2, they actually reduced diversity.

Anyway I'll just copy my previous post because I feel like I'm just saying the same things all over again.

"Waez;c-1058975" wrote:
They won't nerf them anyway.

Soon, they will instead create a character that gives his whole team 30% TM whenever an enemy gains a HoT effet. And another one that heal his whole team for 30% of their health whenever an enemy counter-attacks.

Chaze will be out of the meta, whales will have new toys to spend money on and dominate Arena with.

Instead of a targeted nerf to make room for other teams, EA will create a P2P counter and everyone but whales will lose. Chaze will become useless and won't even be viable in top 100.

The meta will revolve around these new toons, diversity will decrease once again, and the cycle will go on.

And somehow most people here are OK with that.
If you think nerfs are bad in a game, take a look at, I don't know, every single competitive game out there.