Don't u guys think it's time for some new places to farm Ki Adi Mundi and Wat Tambor? Is more worth to do Rise of the Empire than Geonosis. Why not put them on Conquest or something like it? Maybe with those new pink coins. Why not? maybe..

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2459656" wrote:Can't you spend GET3 for them?The GET3 cost is prohibitively expensive from 0 to 330 shards. It's 2337 kyros that a person would miss out on. That's absurd for a character as old as KAM.

"DonPuto;c-2459659" wrote:Well, tough crapThat's a terrible way to treat other players. This community has a problem with the whole "Screw you, got mine." mentality. Many guilds jump straight from LS Hoth to ROTE, entirely skipping LS Geo because of how CG decided to set it up. While Wat should be achievable for most guilds on their way to ROTE eligibility (new guilds should recommend geos and oPoggle for fast wats and easy TWs), KAM gets entirely skipped by a lot of guilds now.At this point, CG should create a Galactic Bounties III event and add Wat and Kam to it. ROLO and IPD are available in a Galactic Bounties event. Putting Wat and KAM in one is the next logical step. It'd still be a long farm that is likely supplemented by GET3 purchases. But the current expected way to get them puts those players behind up to 4,600 kyros for 2x older characters and that is not the way to do it.2,125 GET3 per 5 shards -> 425 GET3/shardWorst case scenario is up to 660 shards to finish them both.That's 280,500 GET3.A guild that goes directly into ROTE is maybe getting 12-13 stars if they're doing it well, but they'll get better as they're unlocking, so maybe we'll say ~18 stars on average.That's more than 79 ROTEs to max Wat and KAM from GET3. That's 40 months.That's over 3 years of GET3 going solely into older characters.

"Rius;c-2459706" wrote:"iMalevolence;c-2459699" wrote:"DonPuto;c-2459659" wrote:Well, tough crapThat's a terrible way to treat other players. This community has a problem with the whole "Screw you, got mine." mentality. Many guilds jump straight from LS Hoth to ROTE, entirely skipping LS Geo because of how CG decided to set it up. While Wat should be achievable for most guilds on their way to ROTE eligibility (new guilds should recommend geos and oPoggle for fast wats and easy TWs), KAM gets entirely skipped by a lot of guilds now.At this point, CG should create a Galactic Bounties III event and add Wat and Kam to it. ROLO and IPD are available in a Galactic Bounties event. Putting Wat and KAM in one is the next logical step. It'd still be a long farm that is likely supplemented by GET3 purchases. But the current expected way to get them puts those players behind up to 4,600 kyros for 2x older characters and that is not the way to do it.2,125 GET3 per 5 shards -> 425 GET3/shardWorst case scenario is up to 660 shards to finish them both.That's 280,500 GET3.A guild that goes directly into ROTE is maybe getting 12-13 stars if they're doing it well, but they'll get better as they're unlocking, so maybe we'll say ~18 stars on average.That's more than 79 ROTEs to max Wat and KAM from GET3. That's 40 months.That's over 3 years of GET3 going solely into older characters.That’s presuming no growth or progress in TB stars, when that would be happening all the time so the math is poorly modelled. Also lower end guilds did not have large numbers of Wat ready and many KAM ready anyway. Within 3 years most will have moved to guilds focusing on similar interests. Some guilds still rotate Geo’s to boost shards particularly Wat who is a low bar investment to complete the mission and required for JMK. These characters took players years to obtain and many of us moved guilds for better yields of shards, and I would rather see some equivalent in effort. Think of Mk3 as old TB shard catch up which you can use on kyro’s when done or instead of if ‘you’ choose not to use it on shards. It is the only source of them when not doing Geo TB so it should be an Easy decision if you want shards, they are more valuable than kyro’s if you need the character's. Whilst there are many sources of Kyros to sustain progression. I do not use Mk3 for Kyros I use it mostly for mod attenuators since I used it to complete KAM, it ended up equivalent to my guilds performance of 20-25 when RotE for came out. As a TB officer during Geo era it was painful to get investment in 501st for KAM shards, so earning it through Mk3 almost mimics the choices players made back then. I wanted KAM so I delayed my first GL for several months to get my 501st clones ready for KAM mission, whilst others argued the character was not worth the investment or effort which limited how fast I could earn it. Except I gave an average of 18 stars instead of the 12-13 stars for an entry point guild, indicating growth from 12 stars up to 24 stars which should be sufficient to model how bad the situation is. Also, inefficient/bad guilds are probably earning fewer than 12-13 stars. 12-13 stars is a good 200m guild that knows what they are doing, so it's potentially worse on average.Sure, they probably have Wat and are likely doing DSGeo+ROTE to max out Wat, so 660 is the absolute worst case for a returning player who comes back and joins a ROTE exclusive guild. But most guilds entirely skip LS Geo and then it is at least 330 shards for KAM, so you're still looking at 40x ROTEs for just KAM. And if guilds are rotating DS Geo for part of that, it's more than 20 months for KAM. So we could expect more than 2 years worth of ROTE rewards for KAM alone, along with missing out on those 2337 kyros. KAM is not worth that and CG should really reevaluate the cost of Wat/KAM for GET3.Expecting players that come after you to invest equal or more (in the case of purchasing KAM entirely through GET3) time into older, outdated, content is absurd. CG was willing to release LSBs to make old GL farms faster. Wat and KAM should also be made easier than they currently are, especially KAM.

"Rius;c-2459742" wrote:"iMalevolence;c-2459709" wrote:"Rius;c-2459706" wrote:"iMalevolence;c-2459699" wrote:"DonPuto;c-2459659" wrote:Well, tough crapThat's a terrible way to treat other players. This community has a problem with the whole "Screw you, got mine." mentality. Many guilds jump straight from LS Hoth to ROTE, entirely skipping LS Geo because of how CG decided to set it up. While Wat should be achievable for most guilds on their way to ROTE eligibility (new guilds should recommend geos and oPoggle for fast wats and easy TWs), KAM gets entirely skipped by a lot of guilds now.At this point, CG should create a Galactic Bounties III event and add Wat and Kam to it. ROLO and IPD are available in a Galactic Bounties event. Putting Wat and KAM in one is the next logical step. It'd still be a long farm that is likely supplemented by GET3 purchases. But the current expected way to get them puts those players behind up to 4,600 kyros for 2x older characters and that is not the way to do it.2,125 GET3 per 5 shards -> 425 GET3/shardWorst case scenario is up to 660 shards to finish them both.That's 280,500 GET3.A guild that goes directly into ROTE is maybe getting 12-13 stars if they're doing it well, but they'll get better as they're unlocking, so maybe we'll say ~18 stars on average.That's more than 79 ROTEs to max Wat and KAM from GET3. That's 40 months.That's over 3 years of GET3 going solely into older characters.That’s presuming no growth or progress in TB stars, when that would be happening all the time so the math is poorly modelled. Also lower end guilds did not have large numbers of Wat ready and many KAM ready anyway. Within 3 years most will have moved to guilds focusing on similar interests. Some guilds still rotate Geo’s to boost shards particularly Wat who is a low bar investment to complete the mission and required for JMK. These characters took players years to obtain and many of us moved guilds for better yields of shards, and I would rather see some equivalent in effort. Think of Mk3 as old TB shard catch up which you can use on kyro’s when done or instead of if ‘you’ choose not to use it on shards. It is the only source of them when not doing Geo TB so it should be an Easy decision if you want shards, they are more valuable than kyro’s if you need the character's. Whilst there are many sources of Kyros to sustain progression. I do not use Mk3 for Kyros I use it mostly for mod attenuators since I used it to complete KAM, it ended up equivalent to my guilds performance of 20-25 when RotE for came out. As a TB officer during Geo era it was painful to get investment in 501st for KAM shards, so earning it through Mk3 almost mimics the choices players made back then. I wanted KAM so I delayed my first GL for several months to get my 501st clones ready for KAM mission, whilst others argued the character was not worth the investment or effort which limited how fast I could earn it. Except I gave an average of 18 stars instead of the 12-13 stars for an entry point guild, indicating growth from 12 stars up to 24 stars which should be sufficient to model how bad the situation is. Also, inefficient/bad guilds are probably earning fewer than 12-13 stars. 12-13 stars is a good 200m guild that knows what they are doing, so it's potentially worse on average.Sure, they probably have Wat and are likely doing DSGeo+ROTE to max out Wat, so 660 is the absolute worst case for a returning player who comes back and joins a ROTE exclusive guild. But most guilds entirely skip LS Geo and then it is at least 330 shards for KAM, so you're still looking at 40x ROTEs for just KAM. And if guilds are rotating DS Geo for part of that, it's more than 20 months for KAM. So we could expect more than 2 years worth of ROTE rewards for KAM alone, along with missing out on those 2337 kyros. KAM is not worth that and CG should really reevaluate the cost of Wat/KAM for GET3.Expecting players that come after you to invest equal or more (in the case of purchasing KAM entirely through GET3) time into older, outdated, content is absurd. CG was willing to release LSBs to make old GL farms faster. Wat and KAM should also be made easier than they currently are, especially KAM.Okay best advice to accelerate. See what guilds look for. Could be Reva ready for a TB guild. Good focused roster for TW focused. Or chasing ‘latest’ content like raids, this is easy to hyper focus. Then you can get into more efficient and larger guilds tired of larger and inactive players. The past content will deal with itself as you get better rewards. KAM is not currently a requirement. He is a nice to have. Guilds rotating between dark side Geo and RotE have accelerated access to Wat! As you can do missions in DS Geo and then use RotE Mk3 during the LS Geo. I did the comparison for my guild as a TB officer when we switched. We switched immediately for LS as KAM was much better on Mk3 from an average guild getting 20 shards from missions. And we left DS Geo for a while to finish off some members at a fast rate as we got 30-40. So it is easier now. But staying in inefficient guilds is also a choice that does not need to improved by altering the economy. And players do not need every character immediately, there is no issue unless there is no way around it. Whilst clearly there are more focused guilds which can help, which still run DS Geo. I know one planning on doing a KAM run once they have more than 20 KAM ready so it may be more useful to hit up the forums for these guilds rather than wait for things to be changed which may or may not happen.I'm done with KAM. It doesn't matter to me. But he needs to be more accessible for newer guilds as he's needed in ROTE operations. Sure, he's not yet required to unlock another character, but he's needed for the game mode that replaced LS Geo for most guilds and that's an oversight that CG should address.

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M0st1yHarm1ess
New Spectator
11 months ago
"Emperor_Rattius;c-2459811" wrote:
I’ll just add in. I am at 5.2 mil, in a guild with 230m. I can confirm that we just skip over LS Geo, and when we do do LS Geo, nobody does anything or doesn’t do well. To be fair, we’re more of a DS focused guild(I and heavy focused on GR, working on LV and JMK). I ONLY have 3 KAM shards. TOTAL. We don’t do well with RotE and people don’t participate enough to full clear EITHER HOTH. Which has always bugged me, but I get it. Some people just don’t like the feeling of doing stuff all the time for the game, but @iMalevolence is right. There should be a much easier method to REASONABLY get KAM and Wat shards. I have Wat at 4* with 53 shards to 5*. We get ON AVERAGE 10 to 13 Wat shards each time we do DS Geo, which is every other DS TB. Sometimes we’ve done RotE instead, but that’s on average. It’s not possible or reasonable to get KAM or Wat shards with GET3 when we don’t get enough of them to do squat. They should not have made LS Geo so difficult as opposed to DS Geo. Even with HIGH RELICS for those battles, it’s almost impossible for some.

The part I highlighted is the actual problem. Being "DS focused", which I'm not sure is a thing and even if it is, isn't an excuse for not getting Wat shards, because a low relic Geo team can do it.
Screerider
New Adventurer
11 months ago
If you don’t have KAM, you can still be competitive.
notthatguybefor
11 months ago
To me, part of the issue would seem to be the respective values of KAM and Wat shards in comparison to ROLO and IPD. The GET2 costs of the Hoth TB mission reward units are relatively reasonable, when compared to what else you can buy for GET2. 5 shards of IPD or ROLO cost about the same as 15 kyros at that level. 5 shards of Wat or KAM cost the same as 35 kyros for GET3, a significant difference. That’s also not taking into account the “free” IPD or ROLO shards from galactic bounties. There’s no expectation for a player to find a good Hoth TB guild to catch up on ROLO and IPD (and ROLO is a req for other toons) to get shards for those characters because the alternative purchase methods aren’t prohibitively high in comparison to what else GET2 is used for. There does appear (to me anyway, YMMV) to be less of a balance for KAM and Wat. Id love to see the KAM and Wat missions added somewhere in RotE (and the ROLO and IPD ones too) even if the entry reqs were a bit higher. Alternatively a new bounties event to get another 10 shards once every two months also doesn’t seem a ridiculously easy catch up mechanism, and the idea that players without KAM find a guild still doing GeoLS is just fatuous. Guilds that can get multiple KAM shards regularly just don’t do GeoLS because of how CG have designed that and RotE.
BobaFettish86
11 months ago
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2459822" wrote:
"Emperor_Rattius;c-2459811" wrote:
I’ll just add in. I am at 5.2 mil, in a guild with 230m. I can confirm that we just skip over LS Geo, and when we do do LS Geo, nobody does anything or doesn’t do well. To be fair, we’re more of a DS focused guild(I and heavy focused on GR, working on LV and JMK). I ONLY have 3 KAM shards. TOTAL. We don’t do well with RotE and people don’t participate enough to full clear EITHER HOTH. Which has always bugged me, but I get it. Some people just don’t like the feeling of doing stuff all the time for the game, but @iMalevolence is right. There should be a much easier method to REASONABLY get KAM and Wat shards. I have Wat at 4* with 53 shards to 5*. We get ON AVERAGE 10 to 13 Wat shards each time we do DS Geo, which is every other DS TB. Sometimes we’ve done RotE instead, but that’s on average. It’s not possible or reasonable to get KAM or Wat shards with GET3 when we don’t get enough of them to do squat. They should not have made LS Geo so difficult as opposed to DS Geo. Even with HIGH RELICS for those battles, it’s almost impossible for some.

The part I highlighted is the actual problem. Being "DS focused", which I'm not sure is a thing and even if it is, isn't an excuse for not getting Wat shards, because a low relic Geo team can do it.

G12 Geos work just fine in my experience. KAM's battle is a whole different beast though.

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