New TW matchmaking

"Russdpipes;c-1704369" wrote:

"Gannon;c-1704318" wrote:
Also, wanted to come back and mention this cuz it's been bothering me.. Not sure why you guys use the term "sandbagging" rather than "exploit," in this case the latter is much more applicable. Just saying..

1 : to make productive use of : UTILIZE
2 : to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage

...but it's all semantics.

sandbagging is not a real thing. our guild tells players not to join if they arent going to be active, not to "sandbag" anything.

if only 45 players join, then you get matched to a guild of like numbers with like average gp.

the part of the equation you are missing in your thought process is you get matched based upon total gp of all characters 6000gp and above.

so if alot of people in your guild have a majority of thier gp coming from a bunch of g6 g7 and g8 toons over 6000 go. your going to get matched to some people who have more dense gp and get killed.

keep your rosters lean

I'm with Starson on this one. Over the past several months, we have tested this extensively and shared the results with other guilds, here in the forums, etc. The system seems to always prioritize similar active gp and not members entered, meaning you could have 25 guys with 4m each v 50 guys with 2m each. That's the whole problem. I'm not saying it's guaranteed or anything, just that it seems extremely predictable. After all this time, only 2 of our wars were losses. Both times, all members entered we faced full tray walls and got wrecked. The rest were completely one sided flawless victories where the opponents barely break one zone, if that..

as far as lean rosters, no-one in my guild does that. 70% of my arsenal is lvl60, g7. same with most of my guild. Everyone farms broadly. you'd be surprised how many teams you can break down or clean up with junk.

Simple fix would be to matchup Guilds based on overall GP rather than active GP (when joining TW)

"Commander_Wolffe;c-1704165" wrote:


* Having 100-150m GP guilds, intentionally down register to qualify for < 50m GP fights (sandbag), so even with 1-2 Traya and Revan and other uber (end-game) teams on the defense, it prevents the 40m GP team from even getting through the first section essentially guaranteeing them a win.
* In this currently matchup, my 44m GP team (qualified with 40m TW) is fighting a 115m GP team with dozens of Trayas and Revans, and we don't have a single Traya or Revan in our entire guild

The rewards for a losing guild with 110-119 active GP are better than the rewards for a winning guild with 40-49 active GP. The rewards and match-making are based only on the active participants. It wouldn't even make sense for a guild to force half its players to sit out to guarantee a "win" with worse rewards than they could get by losing at full participation.

GP isn't a precise measure of a guild's strength to begin with.

Also when people leave after setting defenses in tw their squads should automatically be removed.
We are facing a guild with less people but 20milgp more.
Once they set defense 5 guys with a total gp of 16mil left straightaway
(Probably brought in just to dump all their high rosters on the front lines before going back to their own guilds to carry on with raids) while now we are left out gunned against their defenses they set before leaving.
They are no longer in the opponents guild so why should their squads still be there??
This is an exploit that harms the way tws are fought and should be rectified asap.
The opponents guild now during the attacking phase sits only 5milgp above us which is fair BUT the 16mil worth of squads dumped into their defense by now non guild members remain

I do not believe that sandbagging is as prevalent as many here do, I’m sure it does happen but I think it’s the exception and not the rule.

One of the things that would help greatly in matchmaking is to make several more reward tiers. With the amount guilds have grown since the introduction of TW, the old tiers are REALLY outdated.

"Shellzbutt;c-1704526" wrote:
Also when people leave after setting defenses in tw their squads should automatically be removed.
We are facing a guild with less people but 20milgp more.
Once they set defense 5 guys with a total gp of 16mil left straightaway
(Probably brought in just to dump all their high rosters on the front lines before going back to their own guilds to carry on with raids) while now we are left out gunned against their defenses they set before leaving.
They are no longer in the opponents guild so why should their squads still be there??
This is an exploit that harms the way tws are fought and should be rectified asap.
The opponents guild now during the attacking phase sits only 5milgp above us which is fair BUT the 16mil worth of squads dumped into their defense by now non guild members remain

I don't think I follow. The join period ended. The match was made. Both guilds set defenses. Then your opponent had 5 members leave. Doesn't this hurt them more than you? They have 5 fewer rosters for offense.

I'm not really sure what you think should have happened either. You get rematched?

"jhbuchholz;c-1704531" wrote:

"Shellzbutt;c-1704526" wrote:
Also when people leave after setting defenses in tw their squads should automatically be removed.
We are facing a guild with less people but 20milgp more.
Once they set defense 5 guys with a total gp of 16mil left straightaway
(Probably brought in just to dump all their high rosters on the front lines before going back to their own guilds to carry on with raids) while now we are left out gunned against their defenses they set before leaving.
They are no longer in the opponents guild so why should their squads still be there??
This is an exploit that harms the way tws are fought and should be rectified asap.
The opponents guild now during the attacking phase sits only 5milgp above us which is fair BUT the 16mil worth of squads dumped into their defense by now non guild members remain

I don't think I follow. The join period ended. The match was made. Both guilds set defenses. Then your opponent had 5 members leave. Doesn't this hurt them more than you? They have 5 fewer rosters for offense.

I'm not really sure what you think should have happened either. You get rematched?

No because even with those members now gone the opponents guild is still 5milgp higher than us.
And now they also have those 5 guys 16mil worth of high end defenses set.
Its a win win for the opponents
What i think should of happened is obvious ...those that left should have their squads removed too, simple....
They are no longer in the guild , remove their squads also

"Shellzbutt;c-1704532" wrote:

"jhbuchholz;c-1704531" wrote:

"Shellzbutt;c-1704526" wrote:
Also when people leave after setting defenses in tw their squads should automatically be removed.
We are facing a guild with less people but 20milgp more.
Once they set defense 5 guys with a total gp of 16mil left straightaway
(Probably brought in just to dump all their high rosters on the front lines before going back to their own guilds to carry on with raids) while now we are left out gunned against their defenses they set before leaving.
They are no longer in the opponents guild so why should their squads still be there??
This is an exploit that harms the way tws are fought and should be rectified asap.
The opponents guild now during the attacking phase sits only 5milgp above us which is fair BUT the 16mil worth of squads dumped into their defense by now non guild members remain

I don't think I follow. The join period ended. The match was made. Both guilds set defenses. Then your opponent had 5 members leave. Doesn't this hurt them more than you? They have 5 fewer rosters for offense.

I'm not really sure what you think should have happened either. You get rematched?

No because even with those members now gone the opponents guild is still 5milgp higher than us.
And now they also have those 5 guys 16mil worth of high end defenses set.
Its a win win for the opponents

How's that a win win?
It's a loss for the 5 who get no Zeta's, in what would be an easier win if they stayed.

"Shellzbutt;c-1704532" wrote:

"jhbuchholz;c-1704531" wrote:

"Shellzbutt;c-1704526" wrote:
Also when people leave after setting defenses in tw their squads should automatically be removed.
We are facing a guild with less people but 20milgp more.
Once they set defense 5 guys with a total gp of 16mil left straightaway
(Probably brought in just to dump all their high rosters on the front lines before going back to their own guilds to carry on with raids) while now we are left out gunned against their defenses they set before leaving.
They are no longer in the opponents guild so why should their squads still be there??
This is an exploit that harms the way tws are fought and should be rectified asap.
The opponents guild now during the attacking phase sits only 5milgp above us which is fair BUT the 16mil worth of squads dumped into their defense by now non guild members remain

I don't think I follow. The join period ended. The match was made. Both guilds set defenses. Then your opponent had 5 members leave. Doesn't this hurt them more than you? They have 5 fewer rosters for offense.

I'm not really sure what you think should have happened either. You get rematched?

No because even with those members now gone the opponents guild is still 5milgp higher than us.
And now they also have those 5 guys 16mil worth of high end defenses set.
Its a win win for the opponents
What i think should of happened is obvious ...those that left should have their squads removed too, simple....
They are no longer in the guild , remove their squads also

It’s not possible to leave after the match has been made. You mean they get booted from the guild? If that’s the case then yeah that would hurt your opponent.