I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

Because you're supposed to get your own GL

Because you both made your choices. Get a GL.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?Because....they're worth it?

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?Yes, 300k GP worth of B-/C-squad toons taken to relics for my SLKR. But if you are facing one more more GLs then you must also have invested a comparable amount or resources to build up a comparable amount of GP."Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:Also, just because GAC has been around awhile does not mean I'm wrong. It's never been fair. All I'm asking is why?1) You cannot ignore GP in matchmaking2) It would be impractical to attempt to match rosters by specific characters3) Roster and resource management is as much a part of the game as combat"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:You say I'm wrong but you have nothing to back up your convictions. I was just paired with someone who has 2 maxed out GLs. How is that fair?You are responsible for your roster development choices and the matchmaking mechanics have been known for 2 years.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242092" wrote:"Nikoms565;c-2241863" wrote:"Kyp_Durron88;c-2241737" wrote:But if you don't have one, why are you paired with those who do? Making GAC possible, at the very least, would be a much better draw no?No - first off, if you've been "playing since the beginning" why don't you have a GL? Second, there are non-GL counters to GL, so if you had made better decisions in building your roster (either for GLs or to counter them), you wouldn't have an issue with your GAC matchups.GAC has been around for quite some time - how matchups are determined is fairly well understood and is fine.Better question is why would I have a GL? Have you seen the requirements?Also, just because GAC has been around awhile does not mean I'm wrong. It's never been fair. All I'm asking is why?You say I'm wrong but you have nothing to back up your convictions. I was just paired with someone who has 2 maxed out GLs. How is that fair?1) It's not a better question. I have seen the requirements. I have also been playing since the beginning. I have 3 GLs. 2) I explained how it's fair. You are matched by the GP of your top toons. You chose to invest gear/relic levels in non-GL related characters. That was your decision. Don't blame GAC matchmaking because you don't want to develop your roster in a way that maximizes your GAC matchmaking.3) I absolutely "backed up my convictions" - by pointing out that there are non-GL counters to GLs. So even if you chose not to develop your roster toward GLs, you could have at least built it to counter them. If you wanted better GAC matchups, you should have (or should, moving forward) develop your roster with GAC matchmaking in mind. Ignoring the GAC matchmaking algorithm while developing your roster, then complaining about your roster in GAC, is not only pointless, it looks pretty silly. If you post your swgoh.gg profile, we can help you "fix" (or at least explain) your GAC matchup problems. But, if you simply keep complaining that it's "not fair" - it's not going to change and no one can help you.

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shreby8
5 years ago
"Waqui;c-2243332" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243324" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243314" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243290" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243176" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.

They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:

"Kyp_Durron88;d-243101" wrote:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.

Incorrect. Nobody proved me wrong, and just saying I'm wrong with nothing to back it up does nothing.

Check the quoted comments. You've been wrong from your very first post. @ImaSmakya was kind enough to provide the evidence. Denying it makes you look silly.

I have read every comment and I have not been proven wrong. I have refuted every attempt to do this.

Disagreeing with my first post comes down to opinion. You can call something evidence or say my opinions are wrong, but that's just you.

You think it's silly to speak up for what you believe?

ImaSmakya provided hard, irrefutable evidence that you are wrong. You were wrong before and you still are.

Prove it.
tvsfrink
5 years ago
This thread has been fun.
Ima_Smakya
5 years ago
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243340" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243332" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243324" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243314" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243290" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243176" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.

They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:

"Kyp_Durron88;d-243101" wrote:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.

Incorrect. Nobody proved me wrong, and just saying I'm wrong with nothing to back it up does nothing.

Check the quoted comments. You've been wrong from your very first post. @ImaSmakya was kind enough to provide the evidence. Denying it makes you look silly.

I have read every comment and I have not been proven wrong. I have refuted every attempt to do this.

Disagreeing with my first post comes down to opinion. You can call something evidence or say my opinions are wrong, but that's just you.

You think it's silly to speak up for what you believe?

ImaSmakya provided hard, irrefutable evidence that you are wrong. You were wrong before and you still are.

Prove it.

Sigh, this is both pointless and exhausting.

Enjoy your future GAC success.
shreby8
5 years ago
"Waqui;c-2243334" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243319" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243309" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243306" wrote:
"TVF;c-2243289" wrote:
We have told you why you're wrong, several times, you just refuse to accept it. Work on your roster.

You have not told me I'm wrong, nor do you have such authority.

True competition is dependent of fairness. Otherwise, what's the point of engaging? How is 3 GLs against none fair? Surely, you can do better than just saying "nope." Do you really think that is going to convince me? Your arguments are baseless and weak. You amuse me.

I'm a big hockey fan and particularly enjoy tournaments like the world juniors. Using your logic, Canada, US, Finland, etc... should have to sit their top two lines when they are going to play a team that they know they are going to beat 8-0, 10-0 (happens every year).

If they have to do that to give the opponent a chance to win, where is the incentive for the other team to get better? Why wouldn't that team keep going to the tournament with a sub par team because they know their opponent is going to be handicapped to give them a chance to win?

There's always a shot in hockey. There's enough chaos to allow for chance. I have seen many "terrible" teams rally and pull out a win. I work for a D1 program. I watch hockey every day and I know what I am talking about.

You could win some rounds too if only you bothered to actually play your rounds. You have your shots too in GAC - you just don't take the shots.

Me winning is entirely dependent on the other team not using their brick wall. This is too often not the case.
NyKynoe
5 years ago
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243312" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2243307" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243283" wrote:
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I can't win. That's not fair.

Unfortunately, you cannot win due to your own choices, and that has nothing to do with fair.

- each player is subject to the same rules - That is what makes it fair.
- each player has to play with the roster they have built and the choices they have made - none of those choices force anyone into a sub category to limit who they may or may not face - that is also fair.
- Players have gone through great lengths to build rosters that help them excel at GACs, and some even to the detriment of play in other areas - Changes to this now would not be fair to them.

If GAC is a mode you would like to do better in, your best bet is to make changes within your control. There are many great suggestions in this thread on how you can improve your roster. It is unlikely they will make this change, and if they did decide to make this change, it is unlikely to be any time soon, so you should stick with what is in your control (your roster).

This is the closest anyone has come because you responded in earnest, but no I'm still not wrong.

I have corrected my choices, and the problem has only gotten worse. Why not restructure the divisions so people who invest in GAC characters play each other? Why not scale down rewards for those who don't want to engage in farming those characters but still want to compete in some capacity? I'll even take zero rewards! I don't see how that would be unfair for the players who have invested in GAC. They would be with their own kind. I have no business competing with them.

Would it be so bad if everyone had a fair shot? Tell me why that's fundamentally bad.

You have a few posts that are in somewhat absolute terms, and others have posted evidence that can contradict that, so in some ways you are incorrect in the general sense.

Nothing in this game is on the micro timescale, everyone is given a fair shot, as you can always correct, make changes, and improve your situation. Why changes like this can be seen as fundamentally bad: 1 -
- Players have gone through great lengths to build rosters that help them excel at GACs, and some even to the detriment of play in other areas - Changes to this now would not be fair to them.

2- changes like this are drastic in the short term to reward players who have not or do not work thought the long term process. this is fundamentally bad for a game built on the long game.

as to your other points:
- they will never reward players for not moving forward, engaging in content, and generally speaking trying to not "build their way out of it" (I know you are not asking for rewards, but I think you can see what I mean)
- the idea is that they take all players with X investment and have them face players in the same group - that is fair, and allows a players choices to shine through. that doesnt' mean you need GLs, but when building a roster, each decision has many points to be weighed on, and if GAC is important to you, then you need to make choices accordingly.

Choices have weight, and some of that comes from game modes like GAC, they are not likely to make changes that would reduce the value/weight of a decision. They want choices to feel important and impactful. Players who have gone down the path of a GL had a fair amount of fluff they had to add to get there, some faced hard times due to how they did it or the choices they made along the way. We have all been there but if you stick with a good plan you can get through that, even if it feels worse a few times along the way.
tvsfrink
5 years ago
Good luck Kyno
shreby8
5 years ago
"ImaSmakya;c-2243343" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243340" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243332" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243324" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243314" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243290" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243176" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.

They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:

"Kyp_Durron88;d-243101" wrote:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.

Incorrect. Nobody proved me wrong, and just saying I'm wrong with nothing to back it up does nothing.

Check the quoted comments. You've been wrong from your very first post. @ImaSmakya was kind enough to provide the evidence. Denying it makes you look silly.

I have read every comment and I have not been proven wrong. I have refuted every attempt to do this.

Disagreeing with my first post comes down to opinion. You can call something evidence or say my opinions are wrong, but that's just you.

You think it's silly to speak up for what you believe?

ImaSmakya provided hard, irrefutable evidence that you are wrong. You were wrong before and you still are.

Prove it.

Sigh, this is both pointless and exhausting.

Enjoy your future GAC success.

I really have no idea what you are talking about with the hard irrefutable evidence thing. It's not there. I'm nice enough to hear you out. Ive been very patient with you all, but you cannot tell me my opinion is wrong. I respect yours though. All in the phrasing.
Rath_Tarr0
5 years ago
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243348" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243343" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243340" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243332" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243324" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243314" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243290" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243176" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.

They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:

"Kyp_Durron88;d-243101" wrote:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.

Incorrect. Nobody proved me wrong, and just saying I'm wrong with nothing to back it up does nothing.

Check the quoted comments. You've been wrong from your very first post. @ImaSmakya was kind enough to provide the evidence. Denying it makes you look silly.

I have read every comment and I have not been proven wrong. I have refuted every attempt to do this.

Disagreeing with my first post comes down to opinion. You can call something evidence or say my opinions are wrong, but that's just you.

You think it's silly to speak up for what you believe?

ImaSmakya provided hard, irrefutable evidence that you are wrong. You were wrong before and you still are.

Prove it.

Sigh, this is both pointless and exhausting.

Enjoy your future GAC success.

I really have no idea what you are talking about with the hard irrefutable evidence thing. It's not there. I'm nice enough to hear you out. Ive been very patient with you all, but you cannot tell me my opinion is wrong. I respect yours though. All in the phrasing.
Waquira
5 years ago
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243328" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243316" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243293" wrote:
"Legend91;c-2243207" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243164" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243143" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243019" wrote:
"Legend91;c-2242928" wrote:
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.

I don't understand why you keep saying you can't win and blame it on the fact that you do not have a GL. I have on many occasions been matched against opponents with a GL far before I had mine and I've managed to find a way to win in most of them. There are counters that work in almost every case (Rey 3v3 kinda sucks), you just have to do a little research and perhaps some mod work before signing up for GAC.

Sure, it can happen, on occasion, though highly unlikely, but why is it fair to give me such and overpowered opponent in the first place?

You're confused as to why I can't win without a GL? Really?

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked. You also have GAS and DR/BSF/Malak. I do not.

3 GLs vs no GLs. I can't win. That is not fair. Anyone got anything better than that to throw at me? I'm not wrong!

It's ok if you wanna develop fun (but inferior in pvp) chars and don't wanna chase the meta teams. Just stop whining about being smashed in a competetive pvp mode then. I don't buy myself an off-road car and take it to the race track expecting to get a top lap time competing with race cars.

So you should compete with other off-road cars then? As in fair competition? Thanks for supporting me.

Even and fair are two different things. You don't get even match-ups - and that's fair. Preparing and building your roster for GAC is just as important as your tactics and execution during the GAC itself. Apparently you didn't do well at the first part. That's why you don't have even match-ups. If you had even matches it wouldn't be fair to the ones who actually built their roster well. They earned their advantage.

How would it not be fair if it was evenly matched? Would it be fair for a flyweight to fight a heavyweight regardless of skill level?

In GAC you're matched with opponents in same weight class as yourself. You're matched by relevant GP. Your top-X characters have matching GP.

Some middleweighters are fit, enduring hardhitters (the equivalent to your strongest opponents) while other middleweighters are less fit and hit less hard (like you).

So, we agree it's fair to match two heavyweights against each other, right? That's how it works in GAC. That's why it's fair.
Waquira
5 years ago
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243340" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243332" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243324" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243314" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243290" wrote:
"Waqui;c-2243176" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:

I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.

A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.

They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:

"Kyp_Durron88;d-243101" wrote:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!

No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.

Incorrect. Nobody proved me wrong, and just saying I'm wrong with nothing to back it up does nothing.

Check the quoted comments. You've been wrong from your very first post. @ImaSmakya was kind enough to provide the evidence. Denying it makes you look silly.

I have read every comment and I have not been proven wrong. I have refuted every attempt to do this.

Disagreeing with my first post comes down to opinion. You can call something evidence or say my opinions are wrong, but that's just you.

You think it's silly to speak up for what you believe?

ImaSmakya provided hard, irrefutable evidence that you are wrong. You were wrong before and you still are.

Prove it.

Nope! ImaSmakya proved it already. Now it's up to you to understand the proof.