Poe threads combined

"Sundodger;74602" wrote:

"SlyGambit;74526" wrote:

The biggest problem with Poe I that the best counter is a Chromium exclusive or Poe himself (Dooku today just doesn't get the job done).

The real problem is that turn 1 is RNG based. I wouldn't bring Poe against a Qui-Gon if I -always- knew that Qui-Gon would follow him. Conversely I'd always bring Poe if I knew he'd always follow Qui-Gon.

This is a very good point on Poe. Poe isn't really overpowered, I personally think that has been well shown by Poe in teams without the Glass Canons. The real issue with these Teams is the damage to health ratio that is exposed when your opponent's team all go first. Right now, you generally lose 1-2 characters and are at a severe disadvantage.

Nerfing any character doesn't really solve problems anyway (generally speaking), and nobody likes for characters to lose power (just feels bad). Instead of nerfing Poe, we should really be looking at better options to counter these teams or other options to use different characters.

To me, these options include Buffing other characters like Mace/Asajj (why not Asajj removal be not resistible, or Mace can be a little faster and include speed up on removal of buff), maybe have a slight buff to evasion overall (I have had some success with Dooku leader), or maybe adding new skills into the game (Yoda - leader ability is all Jedi have 30% to reflect a blaster attack back at random target/shooter.) There really should be some skill in the game that can send your opponents attack back at them to help counter this 1 shot meta. Of course, then there would be an incredible amount of complaints about stunned characters reflecting shots ;)

I also think it is important to point out that Poe is really only a problem in Arena right now. GW simply requires 1 or 2 canon fodder characters to blow his cooldown, and then you crush the squishys. Once you nerf Poe/FoTP, there will just be a different character/team that will be the 90% meta in Arena. No reason to just nerf characters and cycle metas when there are so many other ways to expand enjoyment in the game. So another option is to have more end-game content, where any individual character can shine.

Some have pointed to HoDA where they buffed certain abilities/characters on a weekly or semi weekly basis for special events. This of course, would be great to allowing players to use a field of characters. The main thing HODA lacked for me was any sort of cooperation events. I also played Star Wars Force Collection, which I think also had some events that SWGoH could look at implementing. Having a week long event where you kill AT-ATs for instance and it takes multiple teams, and allies can come help kill the big bad boss, and you gain points for assisting/killing in the event. Global events and use of Allies/Guilds are going to be key end game content points for this game.

Basically, I think there are so many other ways to make this Poe/Damage meta not seem so terrible rather than just nerfing a character.

That is true, but I doubt CG wants to rebalance the entire game for characters to survive longer. I think a Poe nerf is a much more reasonable request, and it will help to at least solve some of the problems with the meta.

The OP characters are Geo. S., QGJ, Leia, Rey, FOTP, IG-86, and Phasma (as leader). Poe's presence just further intensifies the performance of the truly OP units that have high-spectrum speed and OHKO capabilities, but Poe himself is not the problem.

If Poe were truly OP, his presence on ANY team would make it difficult to beat, but this isn't the case. At least partial composition of the aforementioned characters is required to make Poe appear good. If none of them are present, he does very little to make a group difficult to beat.

Additionally, even without Poe present, those same characters as a composition still over-perform.

Thus, you can either be in favor of a Poe nerf, which would still cause these heroes to be abused, or you can demand that the truly problematic characters get their damage potentials balanced (emphasis on Geo. S and FOTP since they boast TOO MUCH damage, HP, speed, tenacity and wide-ranging passives) and Poe would be fine as-is.

Come on guys, every character 7* and purple "should be nerfed."

I don't have Poe in my lineup. I beat him easy most of the time and sometimes he does get to taunt and a few of my characters are screwed...but that's the game.

My Dooku can stun him. If I use Can Bane, he can stun him. My Rey can almost kill him in one shot. My Sid could make him not heal if I wanted to use him. My Lumi can almost one shot kill him. My QGJ can kill him in one shot if I'm lucky to get Rey or Laia to assist.

You have to use strategy and yes this is coming from someone with all 7* purple level 70. That's who I face in Arena and GW. If you put a good team together, one who's synergies go together or strategize using characters who manipulate speed or turn meter, you can have a kickass team.

Genosian is super powerful at high levels and is hard to kill when mixed with other great characters. It's hard to choose who to kill first when they're slaughtering you from the beginning.

First Order Officer is really powerful when mixed with a First Order team. Could be considered "too powerful" with FOTP, First Order Stormtrooper, and Phasma (not to mention Kylo who's harder to get but awesome if you have him). I wouldn't want to face them, but it's fun having more of a challenge.

I've seen people upset about Sid. He can be really annoyingly powerful, but put a team together that doesn't have a healer and you won't worry about not healing.

Dooku has little health comparatively so stun him or hit him hard and he'll be out of your hair quick.

Finn can also taunt or stun and has high health. Put together a resistance team and the resistance pilot and soldier are crazy strong.

Stop saying characters need to be "nerfed" and learn how to strategize with who you have. It really does work.

@Cpt_Krob6 there's a difference between asking for a nerd and asking for a balance for specific guilty parties. 7* or not, those units I named above all parse for vastly superior amounts of damage to what the game likely intends. Of the ones I named, only Geo. Soldier isn't 7*'s in my deck. All others are, so I'm well aware of their capabilities.

And you can't compare them to any other units, even with max gear, level and promotions. Each of the named units is capable of first-round one-shooting a maxed out Old Ben with 5/6 gear 9 and Barriss at the helm (pretty much the epitome of a "tank" in this game), and FOTP, Leia and Rey can even do so with an offense down debuff on them (Leia and FOTP can bug out and bonus attack beyond intended limits - upwards to 7 times I've seen and this is AFTER the supposed fix for Leia; Rey manages it when stars align on her third ability with sufficient crit rolls).

You want some definitions of "glass cannons" in this game? Scope out Cad Bane and IG-88. 88 is capable of some nasty damage if there are loads of debuffs present, sure, but even so he still doesn't rival the named heroes in terms of consistent damage and his survivability is a joke. Cad Bane can do solid damage to Jedi, sure, but non-Jedi? Meh. His multi-attack doesn't bug out, and his survivability? Lol.

So basically, you have these specific units that consistently out-perform others in terms of damage. On top of that, they have some form of a combination of HP, speed, and/or tenacity that simply creates a gap between them and any other consistently high damage-dealer that typically suffers multiple stat defecits as well. Thus, why bother fielding a unit that consistently does less even with equal development? This issue causes stagnation and a lack of diversity.

Glad you mentioned FOO, he CAN be a heavy-hitter, you're right. But odds of him dishing out more than 1 high-damaging attack round are slim since he relies on his team maintaining advantage and his special has a significant cool-down (advantage can easily be countered with DoT's, so a simple Sid AoE suffices to keep this in check). Another "almost" OP character worth mentioning is Finn (Crackshot yum). But his low speed and terrible AI control keep him in check.

Sorry for the rant, but you made me sound like I'm not at end-game meta, that I lack experience with the game's mechanics, or that I don't actually possess the characters I actually bothered to mention (at maxed gears and/or promotions) when in fact I do. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're on my ally list, so you likely can gleam how geared they are.

"Cpt_Krob6;75043" wrote:
Come on guys, every character 7* and purple "should be nerfed."

I don't have Poe in my lineup. I beat him easy most of the time and sometimes he does get to taunt and a few of my characters are screwed...but that's the game.

My Dooku can stun him. If I use Can Bane, he can stun him. My Rey can almost kill him in one shot. My Sid could make him not heal if I wanted to use him. My Lumi can almost one shot kill him. My QGJ can kill him in one shot if I'm lucky to get Rey or Laia to assist.

You have to use strategy and yes this is coming from someone with all 7* purple level 70. That's who I face in Arena and GW. If you put a good team together, one who's synergies go together or strategize using characters who manipulate speed or turn meter, you can have a kickass team.

Genosian is super powerful at high levels and is hard to kill when mixed with other great characters. It's hard to choose who to kill first when they're slaughtering you from the beginning.

First Order Officer is really powerful when mixed with a First Order team. Could be considered "too powerful" with FOTP, First Order Stormtrooper, and Phasma (not to mention Kylo who's harder to get but awesome if you have him). I wouldn't want to face them, but it's fun having more of a challenge.

I've seen people upset about Sid. He can be really annoyingly powerful, but put a team together that doesn't have a healer and you won't worry about not healing.

Dooku has little health comparatively so stun him or hit him hard and he'll be out of your hair quick.

Finn can also taunt or stun and has high health. Put together a resistance team and the resistance pilot and soldier are crazy strong.

Stop saying characters need to be "nerfed" and learn how to strategize with who you have. It really does work.

The only counter for Poe that you mentioned that would work is Dooku, and with Poe's tenacity that is a very small chance.

My intention isn't to offend anyone, but seeing over and over again a character needing to be nerfed has gotten old. Everyday someone complains about a character being too strong. So far I've seen Poe, Sid, Dooku, Laia, FOTP, Luminari, Ventress, Rey, Finn, Cad Bane, Bariss, QGJ, Fives, Old Daka, Kylo, Luke, Old Ben, Geonosian, Darth Vader, Ahsoku Tano, Kit, Aayla, HK-47, Savage, Phasma, and Boba Fett.

Clearly there are stronger characters than others, but that's part of the game and part of the fun seeing what team you can put together that's strongest.

Poe is a tank who taunts and exposes. I've seen him expose all my guys before and it sucks, but it doesn't happen all the time. I can kill him with my strong team and win most of the time. I wouldn't want every character to change what they do after I spent a lot of time upgrading certain people based on what those abilities. My Laia no longer strikes 4x. I get it, it's fair to put it back to 3 the way it was intended but it sucked that I'd JUST finally gotten her to 7* when they made the change. I wouldn't honestly have used her but now it's who I have.

Don't get me wrong, some leveling out is a good thing. FOTP was ridiculously overpowered and they rounded him out. Dooku no longer is the force to be reckoned with. I have no idea why there are so many forums dedicated to how strong he is, when he gets killed so easily and rarely strikes twice to do decent damage. It's annoying that his stun rarely stuns - most people completely resist even his damage.

I'd be pissed if they changed the strength and abilities of my characters and I'm sure you all would be too if they suddenly weakened your strongest players you put so much into (like upgrading ability levels with those extreme rare purple shards). The majority of people wanting a character changed is because they don't have him and want to win easier.

I'd like to see fixes in abilities to make them act like their supposed to (yes, I'm actually happy they fixed Laia), but Poe's expose is meant to do just that, so I don't think it should be changed. I still don't know why Bariss can heal through a buff or why Ventress heals everyone...if she's meant to then it should be written.

Rey is supposed to strike up to 4x as it says in her description. A strong Luminari has killed her in one shot though as her health sucks, so has FOTP with Advantage.
I've never seen Laia or Rey hit 7x in a row. I have both of them and also face them everyday in the Arena. If you see that in GW or the Arena, check the person your facing and report them so EA can look into it and get rid of them.

@Wildcats1203 your strategy is up to you. I'm not going to explain exactly how I kill him, but I gave some suggestions.

Poe removes 20%, or whatever, of opposing teams turn meter on taunt. Trick is, most teams don't have any turn meter anyway at the start of a battle so it doesn't do squat the first round.

"ThePedroKid;78770" wrote:
Poe removes 20%, or whatever, of opposing teams turn meter on taunt. Trick is, most teams don't have any turn meter anyway at the start of a battle so it doesn't do squat the first round.

That isn't true at all. The beginning of battle is the best time for turn meter removal because every character on the opposing team has most of their meter filled.

"JohnnyMakeBelieve;78977" wrote:
Poe doesn't cause a player to need more skill or strategy. At high levels, if a Poe attacks first you lose. No matter what.

I was just gonna say something like this, I just beat a guy with a Poe, first time he went 3rd after both our Sid's, I beat him, then he took his spot back so I rebattled him, first to go was Poe, by the time it was my sid's turn I had lost my lumi and the only character that wasn't in yellow hp was 5's, go figure

"ThePedroKid;78770" wrote:
Poe removes 20%, or whatever, of opposing teams turn meter on taunt. Trick is, most teams don't have any turn meter anyway at the start of a battle so it doesn't do squat the first round.

Ok, wow. Poe alone at high levels doesn't spell victory. Go throw Poe with Ewok Scout, Ugnaught, Tallia, and Lobot and let me know how guaranteed a win you have just because your Poe attacked first.

Additionally, there are plenty of other decent characters you can throw in with Poe, but they lack the speed to act first-round even if your Poe went first. Thus, the true problem is these top-tier upper-spectrum speed characters that have damage modifiers on their basic and/or special attacks that are unrivaled. Poe amplifies the sheer unbalanced chaos they cause by permitting them (when present in a team with him) to all act consecutively in the first round.

Basically, Poe is putting a magnifying glass to the true problems in the game.

And I honestly can't believe my eyes when I read above that someone said folks call Cad Bane "OP" and goes on to defend their still-broken Leia (she can still shoot more than 3x, guaranteed crit-chance buff proc) in addition to claiming FOTP was fixed (seriously? Do you even have this game?). If Leia gets fixed, she's still an Alpha attacker.

So, ok, how about this, since some are so opposed to "nerfs"/balancing: let's buff the damage multipliers (and/or stats) on all units excluding the OP ones right now. Let's make it so Cad Bane (for example, a glass cannon character by the game's intent) has 130's speed, his basic attack now deals 1.5x its current multiplier, his multi-attack will become broken to match FOTP's and Leia's, he gets 15k HP, and his unique passives now apply to all enemies, not just Jedi. This would pretty much put Cad Bane on par with FOTP (a supposed "glass cannon") but hey, you all are so in favor of NOT NERFING that even when units perform beyond their supposed role's intent (and completely outclass others of the same category) perhaps we should just buff all the rest so as to appease the anti-nerf mentality?

"JohnnyMakeBelieve;78977" wrote:
Poe doesn't cause a player to need more skill or strategy. At high levels, if a Poe attacks first you lose. No matter what.

I was just gonna say something like this, I just beat a guy with a Poe, first time he went 3rd after both our Sid's, I beat him, then he took his spot back so I rebattled him, first to go was Poe, by the time it was my sid's turn I had lost my lumi and the only character that wasn't in yellow hp was 5's, go figure

"ThePedroKid;78770" wrote:
Poe removes 20%, or whatever, of opposing teams turn meter on taunt. Trick is, most teams don't have any turn meter anyway at the start of a battle so it doesn't do squat the first round.

Okay, listen.

You need to stop the personal attack right now and the attack on people who play for free (I haven't). Period.

I won't put up with that childish behavior and I'm sure most f2p people won't appreciate you belittling them also.

Now, you have no right to make assumptions about me or what I've done.

So you know, I was not on the Poe wagon. I never used him to get into high rank. I only recently started upgrading him due to comments on this forum to see what he was really like. And, to be perfectly honest, he doesn't seem that special. He is a tank and he does what a tank does well. Tanks in every game since I started playing them in the early '80s (and way before that in pen and paper D&D) have always made many battles 'coin flips' when dealing with RNG (we called it D20 back then).

I'm simply looking past Poe to the core of the problem because I know (and, many others here do also) that the true problem has nothing whatsoever to do with Poe and more to do with the damage modifiers on certain characters that was clearly balanced for the PvE game and not the Arena. Hence, why I suggested an across the board damage reduction in Arena Mode only of 25% in another thread where I suggested some changes/solutions for Arena.

The moment Poe changes INSTANTLY another toon will pop up as 'needing a nerf' (the QGJ/Rey/FotP/GS threads have all already begun!). It will never stop. Prior to Poe people were getting rolled just as fast by snipe teams. It's been a constant complaint on these forums since the game began.

When seeing the bigger picture which includes new characters, character availability, potential team synergy developments, new game modes and their affect on shipments and game economy, etc., you will begin to understand why Poe is seriously no big deal at all. Breaking his viability in every other part of the game simply because a few people can't handle the fact that _everything is a coin toss in this game_ is not a viable development strategy. The game is _not_ all about Arena.

Have a good day.