Q&A: Sandbagging Response

"TheJEFFtm;c-2023958" wrote:

"Obi1_son;c-2023813" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2023739" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2023695" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2023687" wrote:
Sandbagging is not losing to a stronger opponent. Sandbagging is an intentional act to try and force a favorable match.

What you are talking about is an issue with matchmaking that should be addressed.

What he was asking for is information to look at a guild to see if they did this intentionally.

These are 2 different things.

Disagree here. His response clearly indicates he doesn't think intentionally sandbagging is possible. We know that it is. And we know that it's not always intentional.

Just to be clear - by definition, there is no such thing as "unintentional sandbagging". If it's unintentional (i.e. players are busy IRL so choose not to sign up, people forgot to sign up, people have left the guild, etc.) that's not sandbagging.

I only make that differentiation because I think guilds are shorthanded unintentionally much more often than they are sandbagging. Think about it. If you were in a 200+ million GP guild and you were asked/forced to sit out of TW and not got any rewards, how long would you stay in that guild?

Bingo!!!!

Winning 5 out of 10 at near equivalent GP and you take home 15 Zeta Mats and 20 Omegas.

Winning 10 of 10 TW’s (that any given player participates in 8 of 10 of) and you take home 24 zeta mats and 32 Omegas in the same time frame.

You forgot winning 10 our of 10 with everyone signed up where you take home 30 zetas and 40 omegas which is the best of all.

This argument that people are cheating / sandbagging to get 8 wins out of 10 because it's better than 5 of 10 is based on a fallacy where those arguing the point conveniently leave out the optimal and most common situation which is where everyone participates and every gets rewards for a win.... this most common scenario JUST HAPPENS TO BE BETTER REWARDS THAN THE METHOD PEOPLE ARE ACCUSING OTHERS OF TRYING TO CHEAT BY SANDBAGGING TO REACH.

I want 30 zetas and 40 omegas for 10 wars and if I lose a war I will accept getting less... i will not volunteer to get less just because someone thinks (without proof) it makes things easier for those registered.
anyone tries to force me to sit out so that others can get a win will need a new guild before their rewards arrive.

That said... tw is optional and we normally have anywhere from 30 to 40 sign up in our 50 man 200m gp plus guild and we usually win.

Sometimes people have a life and cant play they should sit out if they cant play.

The alternative is counting gp for people not registered for the war which is 10x worse that the current matchmaking system (registered gp only) and will lead to huge blowouts and people being kicked from guilds to not count the gp when tw starts.