So chaze is just going to be ignored?

"John_Matrix1985;838582" wrote:

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"Tuftedpaper85;838463" wrote:

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"Wildcats1203;838270" wrote:
I don't see how people can argue that Chaze is balanced after the 3* and 4* Chaze 2v5 video. No two characters should be able to beat an arena team. Five ugnaughts should be able to beat a team of two because it's TWO AGAINST FIVE. If somebody loses to just the two of them using a strong Empire team, they need to be nerfed. You shouldn't need a "counter" just to beat two characters using five characters.

Exactly the original point I was wanting to convey. Anyone that thinks that is balanced is insane and doesn't understand the meaning of balance.

It's NOT balanced. But it's the direction the game is headed. Very powerful synergy. There are other very strong synergies people are still farming up. The game is constantly changing, and Chaze is just the first, and most widely held pair of the new wave of synergy to come.

"TemperTantrumRen;838281" wrote:
For those comparing Chaze to Rey, there is one major difference. Rey couldn't take out fully maxed 7* toons when she was only 4* - Chaze can.

Rey WAS arena viable for elite teams at 4-5* and gear 8-9 amidst max toons at gear 10. I know, because I used her at that level. The first time she one shot killed a tank from full health (40k) I knew she was a bit out of balance, but the game changed around her. Not the other way around. This is going to be the same situation.

"Wildcats1203;838270" wrote:
I don't see how people can argue that Chaze is balanced after the 3* and 4* Chaze 2v5 video. No two characters should be able to beat an arena team. Five ugnaughts should be able to beat a team of two because it's TWO AGAINST FIVE. If somebody loses to just the two of them using a strong Empire team, they need to be nerfed. You shouldn't need a "counter" just to beat two characters using five characters.

2 toons with good synergy should absolutely be able to beat a random assortment of toons that don't fit together being controlled by brainless AI. Especially if it's a bunch of Ugnaughts. LOL

Factions should be POWERFUL together, and random groups will get murdered by them. You should HAVE to have another strong group built around another factions weakness to beat them, and your powerful faction should be just as powerful together as long as they have a glaring weakness that another faction can exploit. Chaze is just a foregleam of where we're headed. They will own some teams, and get owned by others. That's already started, but not enough people have the toons to do that yet.

"Tuftedpaper85;838245" wrote:
This free toon that keeps getting mentioned is probably the hardest in the game to gear up and it'll take a free to play player probably around three months.

... So what? That is absolutely on purpose. Everyone takes time to get. Getting them faster is the advantage some pay for, and that's how the devs make a living. If you want to farm one team quickly and easily and them be dominant forever you're playing the wrong game.

I've been at this a year. I've been +1 in arena, then been left behind by a meta shift, then clawed back up again with a new strategy that took months to implement. Get used to it. "This team needs toons I don't have to beat them," isn't a good argument for nerfing them. Multiple counters exist that not just beat them, but clobber them. Get them. Just know that by spring there will be a new meta to chase. Lucy will keep moving the football every time you get close. (I'm banking on FO and resistance being OP when episode 8 comes out late this year.) And that cycle will continue as long as the devs can massage money out of us. Learn to live with that.

The argument that "these toons have two counters so farm them or lose 50% of your matches to them" isn't a good argument that they're okay in their current state.

I get that the meta shifts and I've had to adjust my farming before to stay competitive. However, there's a big difference between Rey getting replaced as the glass cannon of choice by wedge and Biggs and introducing toons that have three strong moves and two strong uniques while 90% of the toons in the game don't come close to those kind of skills.

There are WAY more than two counters to them already. I can beat them with only one of them added to the strong group I already had. And more abilities (Zeta or otherwise) and toons are getting added. I do totally agree that they have more/stronger abilities and synergy than other toons. Be prepared for other toons being brought up to their level. Not the other way around.

Im yet to see a vid of anyone beating a good GK (L) barriss, chaze and 5s team. B2 is worthless against that team