So chaze is just going to be ignored?

Imwu in my opinion is fine. Baze on the other hand needs a nerf take away his aoe dispel that also removes 25% hp at the same time and I'd be happy

"JacenRoe;838984" wrote:

"RAYRAY;838972" wrote:

"ziccoit;838814" wrote:

"Mithos;838409" wrote:
Just fought a team in GW that was litterally untouchable
Gen kenobi leader
Baris
Fives
Baze
Chirrut
All were 7 star except kenobi at 6, it was impossible to do any dmg at all with baze fives and kenobi taunts, mass crit immunity, 3-5+ heals on everyone the whole fight, retribution on everyone, foresight popping up all the time...

I usually finish top 50 in arena easily and had my arena team at full hp almost full prot with the tm advantage and couldnt get anyone on this team to actually lose health...

Just because not many people have these toons is no reason to ignore thier obvious balance issues expecially as time passes and more people get them

B2 inclusion is the answer to this combo.

You would think so on paper but this isn't the case. B2 just heals them.

People have and are using many toons including B2 to beat them.

Once they have buff immunity or even just stripping off the hot is all you need to make them regular toons.

"Kyno;839107" wrote:

"JacenRoe;838984" wrote:

"RAYRAY;838972" wrote:

"ziccoit;838814" wrote:

"Mithos;838409" wrote:
Just fought a team in GW that was litterally untouchable
Gen kenobi leader
Baris
Fives
Baze
Chirrut
All were 7 star except kenobi at 6, it was impossible to do any dmg at all with baze fives and kenobi taunts, mass crit immunity, 3-5+ heals on everyone the whole fight, retribution on everyone, foresight popping up all the time...

I usually finish top 50 in arena easily and had my arena team at full hp almost full prot with the tm advantage and couldnt get anyone on this team to actually lose health...

Just because not many people have these toons is no reason to ignore thier obvious balance issues expecially as time passes and more people get them

B2 inclusion is the answer to this combo.

You would think so on paper but this isn't the case. B2 just heals them.

People have and are using many toons including B2 to beat them.

Once they have buff immunity or even just stripping off the hot is all you need to make them regular toons.

Yup. That's one way to do it. I personally like giving them HoTs on purpose just to see how much damage my Boba can do. 78k was my best crit hit so far. I want to crack 100. I've thought of farming Geo Spy just to have a pair of Chaze killers just wrecking their day.

"JacenRoe;839112" wrote:

"Kyno;839107" wrote:

"JacenRoe;838984" wrote:

"RAYRAY;838972" wrote:

"ziccoit;838814" wrote:

"Mithos;838409" wrote:
Just fought a team in GW that was litterally untouchable
Gen kenobi leader
Baris
Fives
Baze
Chirrut
All were 7 star except kenobi at 6, it was impossible to do any dmg at all with baze fives and kenobi taunts, mass crit immunity, 3-5+ heals on everyone the whole fight, retribution on everyone, foresight popping up all the time...

I usually finish top 50 in arena easily and had my arena team at full hp almost full prot with the tm advantage and couldnt get anyone on this team to actually lose health...

Just because not many people have these toons is no reason to ignore thier obvious balance issues expecially as time passes and more people get them

B2 inclusion is the answer to this combo.

You would think so on paper but this isn't the case. B2 just heals them.

People have and are using many toons including B2 to beat them.

Once they have buff immunity or even just stripping off the hot is all you need to make them regular toons.

Yup. That's one way to do it. I personally like giving them HoTs on purpose just to see how much damage my Boba can do. 78k was my best crit hit so far. I want to crack 100. I've thought of farming Geo Spy just to have a pair of Chaze killers just wrecking their day.

Very true. I will hold b2 until after I "execute" one toon.

B2 also works with his evasion down to trigger chirrut to cleans before the health balance matters.

"Tuftedpaper85;839050" wrote:

"Darth_Jay77;838954" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;838930" wrote:

"Darth_Jay77;838854" wrote:

"Tuftedpaper85;838844" wrote:

"xReDeMpx;838809" wrote:
For all you thinking that it's balanced because it's beatable is a horrible use of logic.

That like saying a sports team that has won more championships by a huge margin that gets beat once still don't perform better because they have more talent or skill

To be fair I don't think anybody's saying that they're balanced; just that they don't want them changed because apparently the way of the future is to have a handful of toons with a dozen abilities while every other character languishes away in purgatory.

I think everybody has a different definition of what's "balanced." I see it is, can I beat a team with these characters without sacrificing a goat and prayer? If they're beatable within the confines of available characters then there's some degree of balance. If you can only beat them with RNG then perhaps they're not balanced. In this case you really need characters that can takeaway their bonuses, which requires strategy and that's what this game is all about.

And I believe that these characters are bad for strategy in the game. Most successful teams require a combination of a dps, taunter, dispeller, healer, and cleanser or tenacity up buffer, and a controller. You can theory craft over how to fit these skills into your team, or you can just blow a load of money on baze and Chirrut and there ya go. The only thing they don't do together is function as a controller, but I'm sure the next toon release will have all those skills plus that because, why not...

Again, if they're easily beatable with the right squad then why does it matter if they have that much synergy? It's obviously not that strong if it's beatable. If you couldn't beat them, then I would agree that they have too much going. Plus, we have yet to see what their counter-balance is going to be. The new Empire characters have yet to be released and they will surely counter them to some degree. All this back and forth and getting mad about things is useless. Invest in characters that inflict buff immunity, daze, healing immunity, ability block, and work them into your lineup somehow. I felt Chaze was OP at first until I figured out that Palpatine and Boba Fett hurt them pretty badly, Chirrut's cleanse only goes so far and his hots are not a great thing with a max Boba on the field.

Being beatable and being "obviously not that strong" are two different things. The 2008 New England Patriots were beatable, but they were sill one of the best teams in NFL history (even though they lost the super bowl).

Why does it matter? There are plenty of strong toons, Baze and Chirrut arent the only two.

RE Barris: Barris with zeta is awesome. It actually makes Chirruts 3rd ability irrelevanet because she just heals the crit and then removes debuffs from a low health squad member. Shes pretty good against Wiggs too.

RE Multiple Roles: Again, who cares if they can still be managed? As new characters are released I would suspect we'll see more that fill multiple roles along with new Zetas of existing characters. The game has to evolve somehow and just creating one-dimensional characters isnt the answer. Having multi-dimensional characters is fun and creates more options.

Yeah Chirrut is awesome but without a good team around him hes not that great. JKA, Palp, B2, and Boba Fett are all great counters to him.

My prediction.....aoe shock on its way..

"scuba;839221" wrote:
My prediction.....aoe shock on its way..

Probably, we have AOE Daze

"scuba;839221" wrote:
My prediction.....aoe shock on its way..

AOE shock should be palp's zeta. Can't be resisted and works on anyone that is damaged by his aoe add his chance to stun and he would be on par with chirrut

"RAYRAY;839269" wrote:

"scuba;839221" wrote:
My prediction.....aoe shock on its way..

AOE shock should be palp's zeta. Can't be resisted and works on anyone that is damaged by his aoe add his chance to stun and he would be on par with chirrut

A zeta on EP would be nuts. At the start of the encounter all enemies start with Shock. I was thinking we'd see something crazy like that on Deathtrooper or Krennic, we'll see.

"scuba;838746" wrote:

"Naw;838313" wrote:

"scuba;835772" wrote:
So just because no one in the past could do it means it shouldn't be done.....

That was weak. You fail at Balancing 101.

If they keep putting out more powerful toons (imbalanced) where does it stop? When the next set of toons come out why would I pay for them unless they were considerably more powerful than Chirrut and Baze?

Again, no two toons should beat five enemies with more stars, even if AI was weak at defense.

I didn't know I was enrolled in a class. Guess I should have studied.

It probably would not have helped in your case :)

This entire discussion is completely opinionated and full of assumptions.

Surprise, players have opinions...

The biggest one is that some players are assuming the developers want a completely balanced game.

Some, yes, many others, no. I'm not sure why you think this is relevant here.

If a brand new characters is no better then an old one why would I bother to spend to get the character completed faster.

This here is where the problem is. We have Cassian, we have Jyn Erso, there's also the freebie K2SO. For whatever reason the dynamic duo without 'stach were made too good.

I don't want balance in the game.

I do. When I started the game there were ads all over the place to spend and get Kylo Ren. I'm f2p, so didn't even consider spending. If this is the power curve, where can I sign up to get the next p2w character?

Balance is boring. I say this still losing to plenty of Baze Chirrut teams withk my own baze chirrut.

No, lack of variety is boring. This is the trend. Many of us don't like it. The new toons can be good, but in this case they do everything. Imagine Barriss with zeta hitting for 20-25k with a crit. There's a reason why she has weaker attacks.

Many complaints in the past were about having 3* or 4* characters that were "useless" till they could be farmed up to 7*. Well guess what that is not really the case anymore. That is a good thing IMO.

Taken in a vacuum, yes, but not in the context here.