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EN6A6E
Rising Novice
3 years ago

Something needs to be done about matchmaking!

We should not be matched up against guilds that are 60M+ GP more than us!
They have almost 1M average GP more per player than us.
They have 18 GLs. Over half of those were used on their defences. We could not break through their front lines, while they had an easy win taking our side of the map. At the time we only had 1 valid GL at our disposal.

Our active guild gp was 120-130M. In order for them to even match up with us they would have had to have 19 inactive players on their side so they could drop 80M+ GP. This was not the case as they had near full participation from their side! Which means that we were paired against a guild fighting way outside of their active gp tier.

My guild
https://swgoh.gg/g/Sm79K5bCR6mOUXYdzkmimA/

Their guild
https://swgoh.gg/g/e5Az4kmsQdGfiXBLzTOcMw/

43 Replies

  • EN6A6E's avatar
    EN6A6E
    Rising Novice
    3 years ago
    "DarjeloSalas;c-2375175" wrote:
    "Engage;c-2375162" wrote:
    "DarjeloSalas;c-2373433" wrote:
    "Engage;c-2373419" wrote:
    "DarjeloSalas;c-2361973" wrote:
    "Engage;c-2361956" wrote:
    "CCyrilS;c-2361430" wrote:
    "K_Ley2;c-2361364" wrote:
    Bump


    Why? What hasn't been explained yet?


    For starters. The people who need to see this and make the required changes to the system have been completely silent. They refuse to do anything to fix content. Matchmaking has been broken for years!
    My last message on here from 2 wars ago. We had another matchup in the last war that was even worse.
    There is no way that my guild should ever go up against guilds that have 20+ more GLs than us and an easy pass to clear the entire map. Why are we not matched up against similar guilds with similar number of GLs and similar GP ranking? It isn't even close. All we can do is place defenses and hope everyone gets enough points for the second place reward every time.

    2 pieces of advice which you are free to heed or ignore…

    1) the devs will never change matchmaking to ensure guilds / individuals face a similar number of GLs. You can bump threads as often as you like, but they won’t implement that change, nor should they.

    2) A well-run guild should never have to “hope” their members get enough points to earn rewards. Signed up members need to set 2 teams on defence to clear the 50 banner threshold. If your board is filled before all members have had the chance to set 2 teams, your guild leadership need to improve.


    It has nothing to do with how many GLs a guild has over another. When there is a clear difference across the board and the guild you face is in a completely different bracket, it makes no sense. I wouldn't expect a guild of unranked, "less than Carbonite" members who started last month to match up against a guild with whales and high tier Kyber players. Not only is it a failure in the system but it is also unfair for everyone involved on both sides.

    Ok - it’s just that you have repeatedly raised the GL difference as evidence of the bad matchmaking, so I assumed you think that has something to do with it.


    Tell me how that is fair.
    You can't because all this time you have been trying to defend that it is as fair of a system as it gets. It's only fair for you because you're probably on the winning side most matchups. I wonder how many winning streaks your guild has had because of it's overabundance in GLs on your side? Don't try and tell me otherwise because then there wouldn't be a point in you wasting your time arguing it so hard because that would prove you wrong if you have been blowing smoke this whole time.

    I’m afraid that is absolute nonsense. I have repeatedly highlighted how the matchmaking system is weak including in posts in this thread, and have mentioned on these forums several times that the current matchmaking algorithm is the worst one they have ever used.

    I’m not responding to the rest of your post because it’s not relevant and based on an incorrect assumption by you.

    I’ll just restate what I said on May 22 and leave you to it.


    Then why have you been arguing and trolling all this time?
    Here I am giving you actual examples of matchups I have been in and all this time you have told me that I am wrong. Not once have you given any form of evidence or example. All you have done is argue your points against mine. I keep giving the same argument because it's all I know and all I have seen when it comes to the outcome of most matchups my guild has been in.
  • EN6A6E's avatar
    EN6A6E
    Rising Novice
    3 years ago
    "DarjeloSalas;c-2375193" wrote:
    "Engage;c-2375191" wrote:
    "DarjeloSalas;c-2375175" wrote:
    "Engage;c-2375162" wrote:
    "DarjeloSalas;c-2373433" wrote:
    "Engage;c-2373419" wrote:
    "DarjeloSalas;c-2361973" wrote:
    "Engage;c-2361956" wrote:
    "CCyrilS;c-2361430" wrote:
    "K_Ley2;c-2361364" wrote:
    Bump


    Why? What hasn't been explained yet?


    For starters. The people who need to see this and make the required changes to the system have been completely silent. They refuse to do anything to fix content. Matchmaking has been broken for years!
    My last message on here from 2 wars ago. We had another matchup in the last war that was even worse.
    There is no way that my guild should ever go up against guilds that have 20+ more GLs than us and an easy pass to clear the entire map. Why are we not matched up against similar guilds with similar number of GLs and similar GP ranking? It isn't even close. All we can do is place defenses and hope everyone gets enough points for the second place reward every time.

    2 pieces of advice which you are free to heed or ignore…

    1) the devs will never change matchmaking to ensure guilds / individuals face a similar number of GLs. You can bump threads as often as you like, but they won’t implement that change, nor should they.

    2) A well-run guild should never have to “hope” their members get enough points to earn rewards. Signed up members need to set 2 teams on defence to clear the 50 banner threshold. If your board is filled before all members have had the chance to set 2 teams, your guild leadership need to improve.


    It has nothing to do with how many GLs a guild has over another. When there is a clear difference across the board and the guild you face is in a completely different bracket, it makes no sense. I wouldn't expect a guild of unranked, "less than Carbonite" members who started last month to match up against a guild with whales and high tier Kyber players. Not only is it a failure in the system but it is also unfair for everyone involved on both sides.

    Ok - it’s just that you have repeatedly raised the GL difference as evidence of the bad matchmaking, so I assumed you think that has something to do with it.


    Tell me how that is fair.
    You can't because all this time you have been trying to defend that it is as fair of a system as it gets. It's only fair for you because you're probably on the winning side most matchups. I wonder how many winning streaks your guild has had because of it's overabundance in GLs on your side? Don't try and tell me otherwise because then there wouldn't be a point in you wasting your time arguing it so hard because that would prove you wrong if you have been blowing smoke this whole time.

    I’m afraid that is absolute nonsense. I have repeatedly highlighted how the matchmaking system is weak including in posts in this thread, and have mentioned on these forums several times that the current matchmaking algorithm is the worst one they have ever used.

    I’m not responding to the rest of your post because it’s not relevant and based on an incorrect assumption by you.

    I’ll just restate what I said on May 22 and leave you to it.


    Then why have you been arguing and trolling all this time?
    Here I am giving you actual examples of matchups I have been in and all this time you have told me that I am wrong. Not once have you given any form of evidence or example. All you have done is argue your points against mine. I keep giving the same argument because it's all I know and all I have seen when it comes to the outcome of most matchups my guild has been in.

    I haven’t argued or trolled. I don’t know if you’re mistaking me for someone else, because none of my posts aimed at you are of this nature.

    You cited the GL difference in a bad matchup and I advised you that the devs will never alter matchmaking to ensure guilds have a similar number of GLs. You appear to take this as me saying I approve of these matchups. I don’t, I’m just telling you not to hold your breath hoping the devs will adjust matchmaking to address this, because they won’t.

    You also mentioned, when given an unfair match, that you “hoped” all your guild got enough banners to earn rewards. I pointed out that a well organised guild should never have to rely on hope for this.

    At no point have I told you your matchups are fair. Please take time to read my posts thoroughly before accusing me of trolling.


    I thought you were arguing about how GLs don't play a factor in matchmaking or the outcome of the match.
    I'm aware that they are not a factor in matchmaking. My point was that if a guild has a bunch of GLs and they have won their last couple of matches then why are they matched against a guild that has lost their last bunch of matches for yet another easy win. All because they have GLs to carry them.
    I don't worry about people not getting enough points/banners for rewards any more. I wrote that part shortly after the update. Now if people don't get enough points for a bunch of wars in a row I remove them because they haven't done enough to help out.
  • "Engage;c-2375202" wrote:

    I'm aware that they are not a factor in matchmaking. My point was that if a guild has a bunch of GLs and they have won their last couple of matches then why are they matched against a guild that has lost their last bunch of matches for yet another easy win. All because they have GLs to carry them.


    In the past few weeks we've gone up against two guilds that have won at least their last 8 TWs. I don't think we had even won our last two in a row when matched up against them. The GP and GL numbers favored them for another easy win and that was the case. If the algorithm worked the way they said it would when it was announced I cannot see any way we would have been matched against them.

    As far as I know, we have not heard anything from them about the matchmaking since they made this change. Some explanation about what is actually going on would be appreciated.