Stop the TW mismatches

"MrPosz;c-2120855" wrote:
@Kyno Do you know if CG is workin at improvment of TW's matchmaking and to prevent 300KK GP guilds from INTENTIONAL droping members for the event to get better matchmaking for them?

As it not fun to play vs guild that has almost 1kk GP more at every guild member then my guild.

thank you in advance for the answer

The problem with dropping GP to fight lesser opponents is that there is a difference between a 6m gp player vs two 3m gp players...active GP means nothing when understanding the difference in rosters. Why do guilds do this, if there wasn't a roster advantage?

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"DarjeloSalas;c-2119604" wrote:
Any data to explain your point @Natetiffer

End of this TW I probably will if I remember to take screenshots.

Why not take your screenshots now or show your proof now?

It's setup phase?

In which case you've already been matched. No need to wait to document that your opponents "have nothing" compared to your g13s.

Ummmm...?

Your own claim/words:

"Ggdjqjchsabjdj;c-2119221" wrote:
Haha yeah. I’m in a bad guild with my friends. I got g13s and stuff and our opponents have nothing so it’s easy wins.

No I mean what’s your point? My point is that the matchmaking doesn’t take into account characters and stuff. What’s yours?

The same as DarjeloSalas:

Let's see your data that supports your claim. Why wait?

I mean, just read back a bit. There have been several screenshots of the matchups in this thread, and some in the other active thread.

Edit: and just to give another example

"DarjeloSalas;c-2122423" wrote:

"AntaresKOTD;c-2122406" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2122343" wrote:

"W00kiemonster;c-2122122" wrote:
We routinely get stacked against guilds with 5 or 6 GL’s to our 1 - qualitatively we have no chance before it even starts - they should add a surrender button to let us just take our loot and go if they aren’t going to make it equitable and fun

But some guilds are always going to face an imbalance on these things.

I mean, a 226M guild with only 16 GAS is going to be up against it no matter who they draw.

You have demonstrated why the culture of this game is horrendous. You're basically normalising bad code. Why should we accept that there's an imbalance? This isn't a game with 10 guilds. This is a game with thousands.

Why has it become ok to eat **** and just say, "oh thats life".

I’m not normalising bad code.

Do I think they should change MM to match on active GP AND number of signed up players? Yes.

Do I think they should change MM so that guilds are only matched with guilds with a similar amount of key toons? No.

StarSon gave you an example above, that we noticed you didn't reply too. Please feel free to reply to the example given.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2119604" wrote:
Any data to explain your point Natetiffer

C'mon man. Drop the CG defense for a second and pretend you have integrity.

Run 50/50 vs 46/50...everyone that actually plays this game knows what the result will be before you even look at the rosters. We've all seen plenty of data - on both sides of that equation. TW matchmaking is poor when one side has a fully active guild and the other doesn't.

"MrPosz;c-2120855" wrote:
@Kyno Do you know if CG is workin at improvment of TW's matchmaking and to prevent 300KK GP guilds from INTENTIONAL droping members for the event to get better matchmaking for them?

As it not fun to play vs guild that has almost 1kk GP more at every guild member then my guild.

thank you in advance for the answer

It's not intentional - but that's irrelevant. The matchmaking does a very poor job when a fully active guild faces one that's not.

"Kyno;c-2124635" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2124613" wrote:

"MrPosz;c-2120855" wrote:
Kyno Do you know if CG is workin at improvment of TW's matchmaking and to prevent 300KK GP guilds from INTENTIONAL droping members for the event to get better matchmaking for them?

As it not fun to play vs guild that has almost 1kk GP more at every guild member then my guild.

thank you in advance for the answer

It's not intentional - but that's irrelevant. The matchmaking does a very poor job when a fully active guild faces one that's not.

I missed the original ping.

This right here is what's important.

No matter how the guilds get to the active GP they are at when joining a TW, they should be matched in a way that makes for a "fair" battle.

There is a wide range of what can be considered "fair" and as I have said (I think it was a different post) when the group spoke about this, the general consensus from the dev team was that they didnt see any outliers in the data and that (I believe the win ratio is the data they look at) didnt seem to be skewed by things like this.

I find this very difficult to believe. Every time a full 50 guild has gone up against 46 or lower it has lost. In every TW I have played. Every. Single. One.

They are either not looking at the right data or are being dishonest.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2125487" wrote:

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"Nikoms565;c-2124612" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2119604" wrote:
Any data to explain your point Natetiffer

C'mon man. Drop the CG defense for a second and pretend you have integrity.

Run 50/50 vs 46/50...everyone that actually plays this game knows what the result will be before you even look at the rosters. We've all seen plenty of data - on both sides of that equation. TW matchmaking is poor when one side has a fully active guild and the other doesn't.

You should maybe read the rest of my posts in this thread...

No thank you.

Good to see you keep an open mind.

I’ll save you the bother, since it’s obviously too much for you.

I agree, matchmaking should be fixed to match signed up GP AND number of signed up players.

I think some “mismatches” are much closer than some people make out, but the system is definitely flawed and needs changed.

That enough integrity for you?

Yes, thank you.

Would be good if they extended the matchmaking process and added another comparison other than signed up GP.

An amount of players signed up comparison could potentially end a lot of matchmaking problems

"MaruMaru;c-2126045" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2126031" wrote:

"MorganFreeman;c-2125778" wrote:
Would be good if they extended the matchmaking process and added another comparison other than signed up GP.

An amount of players signed up comparison could potentially end a lot of matchmaking problems

Well, that and the fact that using GP as a measure of anything having to do with actual effectiveness is pointless. A zeta on QGJ's leadership counts the same GP as one on GSky's leadership. Part of the problem with any GP-based algorithm is that those algorithms were implemented before relics and GSky/GLs were even in the game. GP is not a good indicator of anything relevant at high levels - yet it is the central piece of matchmaking.

GP is not a measure of effectiveness.

Which was his point.

This is why it’s great being in WORLD’S FIRST and WORLD’S BEST guild: You win all the TWs! What could be more fun than that?