Nightsister Zombie was reworked because players were deliberately keeping the zombie undergeared, as they were essentially punished for making the zombie better. Hence the g10 reworked zombie. Grand Arena is also punishing players for improving characters. Territory Battles requires a lot of GP, and all areas of the game encourage improving your roster, but GA encourages a laser focus on specific teams while ignoring all others.One possible solution is actually very simple. For GA matchmaking, simply ignore characters and ships below a certain GP value. Make it 6k like TW, or whatever number is preferred. This means players who used some characters for awhile as newbies won't have those characters inflating their GP scores. Simply unlocking a character won't further inflate our GP. Characters who are being farmed but are still far from useful won't damage us. People who leveled up lots of characters to 50 to throw mods on them for the GP value in TB won't be punished. And so on.GA actively punishes us for improving a wide range of characters, and is the only game mode to do so. This is a simple way to fix it that doesn't require lots of complex code (TW already does it) or convoluted matchmaking algorithms. As GA doesn't even unlock until level 85, restricting the characters to those of 6k GP value doesn't hurt the game mode. Please consider this simple change.

But why shouldnt people with a laser focus on being competitive get an advantage?

"Taejang;d-191800" wrote:Nightsister Zombie was reworked because players were deliberately keeping the zombie undergeared, as they were essentially punished for making the zombie better. Hence the g10 reworked zombie. Grand Arena is also punishing players for improving characters.Wrong. A g12 CUP will always be stronger than a g6 CUP if used in GA.What you discuss regarding GA matchmaking is a completely different issue than the paper zombie issue.

the thing is it appears that each GA needs 30 toons on defense and lets say 30 on offence. So what they should done is use the GA for the top 90 toons and if there is a fleet battle say top 3 capital ships and top 20 ships. then no way is the bottom of the roster effecting the matching process and the player can still inflate those characters to help their guild in TB.

"Vertigo;c-1740962" wrote:"Kyno;c-1740630" wrote:But why shouldnt people with a laser focus on being competitive get an advantage?People with a laser focus will still have an advantage, the standard g8 7* toon has around 12,000 power. Making the cutoff at like 10k power would hold out mostly gear 7 and below and wouldn't make people who used some characters to learn how to play the game early on get harder matchups because they took more toons to learn how to play the game. But would still cause people with excessively inflated GP rosters to have a disadvantage as those gear 8 toons would still be counted in.But you want to lessen their advantage because you made different choices. We all had the same opportunity to develop, some had a more competitive focus, due to many factors, but nothing is stopping you now from developing to accomplish your goals.

"Bevel_Lemelisk;c-1743533" wrote:I find it funny that people with top heavy rosters consider it punishment to change the matching so they would have more evenly matched battles. In the GA we have had so far I have not fared badly with a #2,#3 and I think #6 ranking. For me the rounds were most fun when the matches were close like my one round were I won by only 5 points. If players are so unevenly matched they just stop playing as the rewards are not worth the frustration knowing you can't win. i have been lucky and have only twice had someone not attempt to win which i feel like hollow victories. The people complaining that a top heavy roster should rewarded are just silly. There is no right way or wrong way to play a game. I personally play for the events so my goal is to get every character to 7* level 85 and max Gear so I can complete everything. New events, new challenges and new Characters are what drive me to play. I don't care about Arena a I am playing for myself and my Guild and not some arbitrary leader board that does not nothing to tell me how good my roster is. So no matter how many Arena's thy put into the game it will not change my playing habits. What it has done though is reduce how much I do spend on the game. I used to try to give the game an average of $5 a month but I stopped as the game became more money hungry and whales control everything. I can't compete so i just play the game for fun knowing I will get everything eventually and I do not need to be on the bleeding edge of metas because mostly likely the developers will nerf them anyway and all that money would be for not.I agree there are no wrong ways to play the game as long as you’re having fun, but there are definitely ways that are more or less effective for particular game modes. If you build your roster to be effective at the Sith Raid, you have an advantage in the Sith Raid. If my roster is more effective in Grand Arena, why shouldn’t I have an advantage in Grand Arena? If matches were always perfectly even, I could never get an advantage in GA by trying to tailor my roster more effectively towards it because I would always get matched against somebody else who did the same.

Suggested, Simple, Improvement to GA Matchmaking

NyKynoe
6 years ago
But why shouldnt people with a laser focus on being competitive get an advantage?
Waquira
6 years ago
"Taejang;d-191800" wrote:
Nightsister Zombie was reworked because players were deliberately keeping the zombie undergeared, as they were essentially punished for making the zombie better. Hence the g10 reworked zombie. Grand Arena is also punishing players for improving characters.

Wrong. A g12 CUP will always be stronger than a g6 CUP if used in GA.

What you discuss regarding GA matchmaking is a completely different issue than the paper zombie issue.
comminerPants2
6 years ago
the thing is it appears that each GA needs 30 toons on defense and lets say 30 on offence. So what they should done is use the GA for the top 90 toons and if there is a fleet battle say top 3 capital ships and top 20 ships. then no way is the bottom of the roster effecting the matching process and the player can still inflate those characters to help their guild in TB.
NyKynoe
6 years ago
"Vertigo;c-1740962" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1740630" wrote:
But why shouldnt people with a laser focus on being competitive get an advantage?

People with a laser focus will still have an advantage, the standard g8 7* toon has around 12,000 power. Making the cutoff at like 10k power would hold out mostly gear 7 and below and wouldn't make people who used some characters to learn how to play the game early on get harder matchups because they took more toons to learn how to play the game. But would still cause people with excessively inflated GP rosters to have a disadvantage as those gear 8 toons would still be counted in.

But you want to lessen their advantage because you made different choices. We all had the same opportunity to develop, some had a more competitive focus, due to many factors, but nothing is stopping you now from developing to accomplish your goals.
LiathSW
6 years ago
"Bevel_Lemelisk;c-1743533" wrote:
I find it funny that people with top heavy rosters consider it punishment to change the matching so they would have more evenly matched battles. In the GA we have had so far I have not fared badly with a #2,#3 and I think #6 ranking. For me the rounds were most fun when the matches were close like my one round were I won by only 5 points. If players are so unevenly matched they just stop playing as the rewards are not worth the frustration knowing you can't win. i have been lucky and have only twice had someone not attempt to win which i feel like hollow victories. The people complaining that a top heavy roster should rewarded are just silly. There is no right way or wrong way to play a game. I personally play for the events so my goal is to get every character to 7* level 85 and max Gear so I can complete everything. New events, new challenges and new Characters are what drive me to play. I don't care about Arena a I am playing for myself and my Guild and not some arbitrary leader board that does not nothing to tell me how good my roster is. So no matter how many Arena's thy put into the game it will not change my playing habits. What it has done though is reduce how much I do spend on the game. I used to try to give the game an average of $5 a month but I stopped as the game became more money hungry and whales control everything. I can't compete so i just play the game for fun knowing I will get everything eventually and I do not need to be on the bleeding edge of metas because mostly likely the developers will nerf them anyway and all that money would be for not.

I agree there are no wrong ways to play the game as long as you’re having fun, but there are definitely ways that are more or less effective for particular game modes. If you build your roster to be effective at the Sith Raid, you have an advantage in the Sith Raid. If my roster is more effective in Grand Arena, why shouldn’t I have an advantage in Grand Arena? If matches were always perfectly even, I could never get an advantage in GA by trying to tailor my roster more effectively towards it because I would always get matched against somebody else who did the same.
Rath_Tarr0
6 years ago
"Kyno;c-1743033" wrote:

There is just a fair amount of people attacking others because when it comes down to it, people are being out classed. Players that have extremely competitive rosters made good choice, and worked to get there.

There are a fair amount of people attacking others because when it comes down to it, they are afraid of facing equally strong opponents. Players that have extremely competitive rosters should be pitted against other such players, not given easy wins against inferior rosters.
NyKynoe
6 years ago
"Rath_Tarr;c-1743633" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1743033" wrote:

There is just a fair amount of people attacking others because when it comes down to it, people are being out classed. Players that have extremely competitive rosters made good choice, and worked to get there.

There are a fair amount of people attacking others because when it comes down to it, they are afraid of facing equally strong opponents. Players that have extremely competitive rosters should be pitted against other such players, not given easy wins against inferior rosters.

No one is being given anything. They are being randomly matched against players that have made similar investments but different choices.
trystanspyder
6 years ago
If the problem is casual player main accounts vs super tuned alt accounts, why doesn't the casual player make a super focused alt account too?

As others have pointed out, it's about choices. If I spend $50,000 on a nice big luxury car, and another guy spends $50,000 on a stripped down sports car, why should I feel entitled to be as fast as him?
NyKynoe
6 years ago
"Taejang;c-1743779" wrote:
"Lio;c-1743576" wrote:
No offence to OP, but.... why do you have to great at every facet of the game? Seems like a frivolous complaint.

I'm a laser-focused player. It's taken me a long time to be able to contribute to TW like my other guildmates, to do as much damage in the raids. My guildmates who used the Maximize-my-GP strategy have been wrecking for a lot longer than I have. Now, Grand Arena comes up and I'm doing really well (I took 2nd in two and 1st in one) and they're having mixed results.

Like Kyno said, it isn't a punishment to you and other players with bloated rosters. It's just a side-effect of a new dynamic in the game. Not every aspect of this game needs to be catered to you and not everything needs to be convenient. Fairness and convenience are not synonymous.

If you want convenience, you can buy it from EA.

Actually, that's the opposite of the problem. I was hoping for one type of pvp mode that I could actually be great at. Arena and Fleet Arena heavily favor players who put all their efforts into as few characters as possible. TW is the same- get the right defensive team set and it doesn't matter that you only put down one.

A laser-focus is not bad. It should not be punished. I do not want to change the existing game modes to cater to me. I purposely built my account to hit as many events as possible, and that I can do well.

The issue I suppose is expectations. I had thought GA would be a pvp mode that less-focused accounts could actually compete in, as they would compete against each other while more focused accounts competed against each other. As it stands, GA is a pvp mode that favors the same play style as the other arena modes. As mentioned in one of my admittedly-long posts above, if that is what CG was aiming for then they shouldn't change anything. If they want more competitive matchups, the existing matchmaker needs to be changed.

As the dev team stated, (paraphrasing), you can test yourself to be the beat in your shard, GA is here to see who is the best in SWGOH. So I think that pretty much shows what they are looking for.

I would also think that a wider roster is more rewarded here than in arena, because you will get use of your width, but if your goal was width you are not going to be as competitive as those that focused on this style of TW game play.
Rath_Tarr0
6 years ago
"Kyno;c-1743651" wrote:
"Rath_Tarr;c-1743633" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1743033" wrote:

There is just a fair amount of people attacking others because when it comes down to it, people are being out classed. Players that have extremely competitive rosters made good choice, and worked to get there.

There are a fair amount of people attacking others because when it comes down to it, they are afraid of facing equally strong opponents. Players that have extremely competitive rosters should be pitted against other such players, not given easy wins against inferior rosters.

No one is being given anything. They are being randomly matched against players that have made similar investments but different choices.

LOL! :D

So which is it:
a) people are being outclassed by extremely competitive rosters, or
b) matchmaking is totally random and thus magically fair?

Because being randomly matched against an extremely competitive roster is far from fair for the weaker player, nor is it remotely challenging for the extremely competitive player.

Only a complete tool would be on the upside of that match and consider themselves skillful for winning a ROFLstomp.