The state of the game...

Clearly this means that only the whales are spending! Mass F2P exodus! The bottom is falling out!

Android exclusive incoming to re-assert their dominance

Dunno about dying but is cg repeating the same mistakes over and over then harping about how great they are doing?

Yes. A simple yes. This year had more hurt feelings than ever too but I'm guessing there's no chart for that XD

Hurt feelings chart, request filled.

It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041652" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

Still anecdotal.

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041652" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

Something the we all know is lacking is actual quantitative metrics. Assuming you're on the level with your sample pool, you should actually track these metrics weekly so we have some quantifiable data over time:

• Number of new players joining
  
• Number of new members coming from an unrelated guild
  
• Number of current members retiring from the game
  
• Number of members moving to a different unrelated guild
  

Taking this a step further, I'd suggest you reach out to some of the other conglomerate guilds to compile this info. Having this kind of data will go a long way in helping us (the community) discuss the state of the community with CG as we will actually have metrics of our own.

Anything short of this is effectively hearsay or anecdotal (not saying 'inaccurate', just 'unsubstantiated').

"SamAccountX;c-2041664" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041652" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

Something the we all know is lacking is actual quantitative metrics. Assuming you're on the level with your sample pool, you should actually track these metrics weekly so we have some quantifiable data over time:

• Number of new players joining
  
• Number of new members coming from an unrelated guild
  
• Number of current members retiring from the game
  
• Number of members moving to a different unrelated guild
  

Anything short of this is effectively hearsay or anecdotal (not saying 'inaccurate', just 'unsubstantiated').

Briefly ninja'd

I am literally a social scientist, you are talking about the method in which data is collected. In this case, I collected it over years of experience, observation, and commitment to knowing how the game is being perceived because I have made managing a guild in this game a major hobby. You are calling data anecdotal because a person collected it, rather than a person designing a collection system. At the end it is all a human collection system. Except in my case, variables examined aren't limited to "total cash spent aggregate" nor does my position posit that the measure of a community's health is whether the designers made money.

I don't think you really understand how data works and what constitutes good data.