The state of the game...

It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041652" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

Still anecdotal.

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041652" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

Something the we all know is lacking is actual quantitative metrics. Assuming you're on the level with your sample pool, you should actually track these metrics weekly so we have some quantifiable data over time:

• Number of new players joining
  
• Number of new members coming from an unrelated guild
  
• Number of current members retiring from the game
  
• Number of members moving to a different unrelated guild
  

Taking this a step further, I'd suggest you reach out to some of the other conglomerate guilds to compile this info. Having this kind of data will go a long way in helping us (the community) discuss the state of the community with CG as we will actually have metrics of our own.

Anything short of this is effectively hearsay or anecdotal (not saying 'inaccurate', just 'unsubstantiated').

"SamAccountX;c-2041664" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041652" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2041643" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041639" wrote:
It is so sad when people who play games measure whether a community or fun or the game's health by corporate profits.

I'm an officer in a large guild family. Turnover is worse than ever. Almost nobody is having fun. Every couple of weeks there is a new straw that broke the camel's back for another group of our members. A huge portion of people are just holding on hoping something changes soon, others are just becoming increasingly casual.

You can't tell me that isn't the case because that is what I actually see constantly with my own two eyes.

This tells me however much money they are making, it could be far more. I know whales that are done spending because they bought GAS and second round FTP have beat them to 7* 7 relic.

Just to chip in, (my specialty) your max guild sample size is 50 people on a constant. I think this year is going to be better because of the slowness they are withstanding.

Take another read.

I'm an officer in a family of guilds that is spread out and organized around people's goals in the game and GP. My sample size is hundreds.

LMK when I should stop believing my own constant experience and what should be obvious to everyone actively involved in this community: that CG is leaving money on the table and less and less people are finding the game actually fun.

Something the we all know is lacking is actual quantitative metrics. Assuming you're on the level with your sample pool, you should actually track these metrics weekly so we have some quantifiable data over time:

• Number of new players joining
  
• Number of new members coming from an unrelated guild
  
• Number of current members retiring from the game
  
• Number of members moving to a different unrelated guild
  

Anything short of this is effectively hearsay or anecdotal (not saying 'inaccurate', just 'unsubstantiated').

Briefly ninja'd

I am literally a social scientist, you are talking about the method in which data is collected. In this case, I collected it over years of experience, observation, and commitment to knowing how the game is being perceived because I have made managing a guild in this game a major hobby. You are calling data anecdotal because a person collected it, rather than a person designing a collection system. At the end it is all a human collection system. Except in my case, variables examined aren't limited to "total cash spent aggregate" nor does my position posit that the measure of a community's health is whether the designers made money.

I don't think you really understand how data works and what constitutes good data.

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041669" wrote:
I am literally a social scientist, you are talking about the method in which data is collected. In this case, I collected it over years of experience, observation, and commitment to knowing how the game is being perceived because I have made managing a guild in this game a major hobby. You are calling data anecdotal because a person collected it, rather than a person designing a collection system. At the end it is all a human collection system. Except in my case, variables examined aren't limited to "total cash spent aggregate" nor does my position posit that the measure of a community's health is whether the designers made money.

I don't think you really understand how data works and what constitutes good data.

If you collected data, then let's see your data. Numbers. Actual quantifiable information and not just "it's bad because I'm not enjoying it."

Anything less makes you a liar.

"Jarvind;c-2041671" wrote:

"ScummerAntilles;c-2041669" wrote:
I am literally a social scientist, you are talking about the method in which data is collected. In this case, I collected it over years of experience, observation, and commitment to knowing how the game is being perceived because I have made managing a guild in this game a major hobby. You are calling data anecdotal because a person collected it, rather than a person designing a collection system. At the end it is all a human collection system. Except in my case, variables examined aren't limited to "total cash spent aggregate" nor does my position posit that the measure of a community's health is whether the designers made money.

I don't think you really understand how data works and what constitutes good data.

If you collected data, then let's see your data. Numbers. Actual quantifiable information and not just "it's bad because I'm not enjoying it."

Anything less makes you a liar.

I was kind enough to explain to you, in the post you quote, if you were a good enough reader that conflating "data" and "quantification" is a pretty clear indicator that you don't know what data is or how it is used to assess reality.

Plato's Republic is a book. I can see X trends in how people rely to Y stimulus, based on what they say. When I mix this chemical with that chemical, it smells like vanilla. If you think those kinds of measures or statements aren't data... wow... please stop speaking with a voice of authority.

You can't convince me I don't know what I know and now that I'm not actually my own profession with some lazy smug understanding that I am literally paid to disabuse people of when I train them on how to use data and what it is.

If you want me to go further on this I will require you to pay me, this is my trade and I don't work for free.

If you are trying to argue most people are enjoying the game right now I feel sorry for you. I'm glad it gives you comfort that CG made a lot of money...

Too be fair Marquee packs have doubled. So where even a year ago normal Marquee packs and such were 9.99, they are now 19.99. So really if there was the same amount of people making purchases as it was a year ago, the $ should be doubled, not just a little over. Money is not success in business. Any business person will tell you 5 people paying $5 is much better than 1 person paying $30. Yes it is less on paper, but more foot traffic means more chances for purchased. I'd be much more interested to see a "foot traffic" report. How many people are logging in today compared to a year or two ago?