So the new GL Rey does not have the Jedi tag, even though she was a Jedi in the movie (this is not TFA or even TLJ Rey) and she has the Heir of the Jedi ability. Ok, she doesn't have it for balance reasons, it can be understood.But then we should use the same logic for Visas Marr. She has a disputed claim for both the Old Republic and Jedi tags. Sure, you can argue she only officially was part of either after the game (but some would say she already was during the game), but either way, let's just consider them from a balance perspective: Visas Marr is right now useless. She had a very brief use in HSR ages ago, but now nothing. I can understand if she doesn't get Jedi tag also for balance reasons, maybe she'd be too good with JKR. But at the very least give her the OR tag so that she can at least be used. She will not make that faction op.TLDR: PLEASE GIVE VISAS OLD REPUBLIC TAG

"Akenno;c-2087607" wrote:Wait for Visas until we get Meetra and more stuff from KOTOR 2. Would be cool to build up towards double bladed Revan and eternal emperor Valkorion.Neutral tag anyone? Meetra, Visas, Kreia and Revan Reborn

"exile038;c-2087640" wrote:"Akenno;c-2087607" wrote:Wait for Visas until we get Meetra and more stuff from KOTOR 2. Would be cool to build up towards double bladed Revan and eternal emperor Valkorion.Neutral tag anyone? Meetra, Visas, Kreia and Revan RebornPossibly Wampa too... Wampas don't care whether their prey is good or evil, they just hunt and eat.

"thecarterologist958;c-2089783" wrote:"mInEcRaFtEr0617;c-2089527" wrote: But Star Wars SHOULD be taken seriously. Dumbing down an argument in order to make it easier to pick apart, if anything, hurts your logic because you aren't actually basing your arguements around mine. You are basing them on a weaker version of my arguement that isn’t an accurate representation of what I am actually trying to say. Straw Man fallacies are logical fallacies for a reason.Debatable. "Debatable"? Implying that you yourself do not take it seriously?"thecarterologist958;c-2089783" wrote:"mInEcRaFtEr0617;c-2089527" wrote: But Star Wars SHOULD be taken seriously. Dumbing down an argument in order to make it easier to pick apart, if anything, hurts your logic because you aren't actually basing your arguements around mine. You are basing them on a weaker version of my arguement that isn’t an accurate representation of what I am actually trying to say. Straw Man fallacies are logical fallacies for a reason.Separately, straw man fallacies are not the same as logical fallacies, and neither of them apply to anything I've been saying, especially since "dumbing something down" is not the same as changing it. Just a heads up a Straw man fallacy IS a type of logical fallacy. Not something we should really be debating. Just do a bit of research. And here is the definition (I will post the source in a comment bellow this one if you want to see for yourself) of a Straw Man fallacy just for reference:"Substituting a person’s actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position or the argument."Notice the "distorted" part, and the "misrepresented" part. If you wouldn't consider my argument,"It was more about the lessons behind them. The meaningful dialogue was what made it so significant. Yoda’s lessons about the temptations of the dark side, about how size does not matter in the force, about how the dark side is the lesser but more tempting aspect of the force... you wont see any of that in TLJ or TROS. Training isnt just about training the body, it is about learning wisdom and understanding of the force."to be misrepresented and/or distorted in your summary of it,"Ahh, so it's Jedi training so long as you chat a bit afterwards, of course."then I do not know why we are even debating this. You "dumbing down" my argument meets the exact criteria of the definition of a Straw Man fallacy. "thecarterologist958;c-2089783" wrote:"mInEcRaFtEr0617;c-2089527" wrote: But Star Wars SHOULD be taken seriously. Dumbing down an argument in order to make it easier to pick apart, if anything, hurts your logic because you aren't actually basing your arguements around mine. You are basing them on a weaker version of my arguement that isn’t an accurate representation of what I am actually trying to say. Straw Man fallacies are logical fallacies for a reason. As I said before, try smaller paragraphs.I just write as much as I have to in order to bring my point across.

"thecarterologist958;c-2089949" wrote:"mInEcRaFtEr0617;c-2089879" wrote:"Debatable"? Implying that you yourself do not take it seriously?Just a heads up a Straw man fallacy IS a type of logical fallacy. Not something we should really be debating. Just do a bit of research. And here is the definition (I will post the source in a comment bellow this one if you want to see for yourself) of a Straw Man fallacy just for reference:"Substituting a person’s actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position or the argument."Notice the "distorted" part, and the "misrepresented" part. If you wouldn't consider my argument,"It was more about the lessons behind them. The meaningful dialogue was what made it so significant. Yoda’s lessons about the temptations of the dark side, about how size does not matter in the force, about how the dark side is the lesser but more tempting aspect of the force... you wont see any of that in TLJ or TROS. Training isnt just about training the body, it is about learning wisdom and understanding of the force."to be misrepresented and/or distorted in your summary of it,"Ahh, so it's Jedi training so long as you chat a bit afterwards, of course."then I do not know why we are even debating this. You "dumbing down" my argument meets the exact criteria of the definition of a Straw Man fallacy. I was wrong, thank you. My research showed me a logical fallacy is simultaneously pointless as it's equivalent to just fallacy, and inappropriate to use so formal fallacy is the correct term. ."my research"? What is this research of your's that you speak of? Could you cite your sources? Given that you are now claiming that...- "a logical fallacy is simultaneously pointless as it's equivalent to just fallacy"- "and inappropriate to use so formal fallacy is the correct term"... I am not sure that you understand what logical fallacies are and what straw man fallacies are. "thecarterologist958;c-2089949" wrote:"mInEcRaFtEr0617;c-2089879" wrote:"Debatable"? Implying that you yourself do not take it seriously?Just a heads up a Straw man fallacy IS a type of logical fallacy. Not something we should really be debating. Just do a bit of research. And here is the definition (I will post the source in a comment bellow this one if you want to see for yourself) of a Straw Man fallacy just for reference:"Substituting a person’s actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position or the argument."Notice the "distorted" part, and the "misrepresented" part. If you wouldn't consider my argument,"It was more about the lessons behind them. The meaningful dialogue was what made it so significant. Yoda’s lessons about the temptations of the dark side, about how size does not matter in the force, about how the dark side is the lesser but more tempting aspect of the force... you wont see any of that in TLJ or TROS. Training isnt just about training the body, it is about learning wisdom and understanding of the force."to be misrepresented and/or distorted in your summary of it,"Ahh, so it's Jedi training so long as you chat a bit afterwards, of course."then I do not know why we are even debating this. You "dumbing down" my argument meets the exact criteria of the definition of a Straw Man fallacy. Either way, a straw man fallacy is a type. So at least you understand that a straw man fallacy is a type of logical fallacy. That's a good start."thecarterologist958;c-2089949" wrote:"mInEcRaFtEr0617;c-2089879" wrote:"Debatable"? Implying that you yourself do not take it seriously?Just a heads up a Straw man fallacy IS a type of logical fallacy. Not something we should really be debating. Just do a bit of research. And here is the definition (I will post the source in a comment bellow this one if you want to see for yourself) of a Straw Man fallacy just for reference:"Substituting a person’s actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position or the argument."Notice the "distorted" part, and the "misrepresented" part. If you wouldn't consider my argument,"It was more about the lessons behind them. The meaningful dialogue was what made it so significant. Yoda’s lessons about the temptations of the dark side, about how size does not matter in the force, about how the dark side is the lesser but more tempting aspect of the force... you wont see any of that in TLJ or TROS. Training isnt just about training the body, it is about learning wisdom and understanding of the force."to be misrepresented and/or distorted in your summary of it,"Ahh, so it's Jedi training so long as you chat a bit afterwards, of course."then I do not know why we are even debating this. You "dumbing down" my argument meets the exact criteria of the definition of a Straw Man fallacy. Regardless, none of this applies to me, and if you wrote less maybe you'd have noticed.I have already explained why your arguments are just straw man fallacies. If you disagree, then you are going to have to provide actual reasoning instead of a simple denial.And again, I can write as much as I want. The amount of detail that I put into my arguments just reflects how I am representing my arguments as accurately and clearly as possible.

At this point our argument is getting petty. I am not going to start arguing things that have nothing to do with the topic, especially when you fail to understand what a straw man fallacy actually is despite you using it in each of your arguments.

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Ichiraikou
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
"thecarterologist958;c-2091233" wrote:

I'll explain it all
In haiku form as it's short
To prove my point here.

No arguments made,
I just laughed at you at first
For saying dumb things.

Do your own research
This is what I drew from mine
You need not write lots.

I think our decision not to argue things that have nothing to do with the debate is a smart one @mInEcRaFtEr0617 , because he's just using another fallacy to distract you form the fact that he has no arguments left. To be precise he's using the (Personal) Incredulity Fallacy.
To go into more detail, the (Personal) Incredulity Fallacy is a fallacy that "asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine". He personally expects things to be short, and thus denies them when they are long. It's especially funny when you realize his lack of words makes it so that he practically says nothing. Just look at his last post. It's a haiku about nothing. I mean literally noting. In terms of the debate, he makes no statement, presents no arguments, makes no points, practically does nothing. He just uses pretty form in an attempts to disguise and distract, when in reality he has nothing left and has already lost the debate.
GifafiTho
6 years ago
strawman fallacy
remember first college class?
more to learn, we have
thecarterologis
6 years ago
"Ichiraikou;c-2091326" wrote:

I think our decision not to argue things that have nothing to do with the debate is a smart one @mInEcRaFtEr0617 , because he's just using another fallacy to distract you form the fact that he has no arguments left. To be precise he's using the (Personal) Incredulity Fallacy.
To go into more detail, the (Personal) Incredulity Fallacy is a fallacy that "asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine". He personally expects things to be short, and thus denies them when they are long. It's especially funny when you realize his lack of words makes it so that he practically says nothing. Just look at his last post. It's a haiku about nothing. I mean literally noting. In terms of the debate, he makes no statement, presents no arguments, makes no points, practically does nothing. He just uses pretty form in an attempts to disguise and distract, when in reality he has nothing left and has already lost the debate.

I did tell you this.
I had no argument, see?
Read before you quote.

"thecarterologist958;c-2091233" wrote:

No arguments made,
radicalism4life
6 years ago
"spru4709;c-2091472" wrote:
I think there should be two different Visas Marr in the game. The one that is in the game should have the dark side tag and sith tag, and have synergism with Darth Nihilus. Once they go back and release more content from KOTOR 2, then they could release a new Visas Marr resembling the character that helps Meetra and then takes the principles learned from her and helps to restore the Jedi Order with Attan Rand, Brianna the Handmaiden, and so on. While on the subject, it would be nice to see three versions of Attan Rand release. He was a jedi hunter under Revan and Malak during the sith empire, the Attan Rand version from the game, and then the Jedi Sentinal Attan Rand that helps restore the Jedi Order after the fall of the triumverate. Maybe a good marque event there. Have to collect sith empire and KOTOR 2 characters to use and unlock Jedi Sentinal Attan Rand. Same with the new Visas Marr. And since CG seems to care more about money than good content, good way to make money CG. Just saying.

It would be a good idea. Maybe the current Visas Marr should be given a new outfit so that the sith version would be able to have her sith robes? Two different Visas Marrs wearing the same sith outfit would be kind of confusing. I like the suggestion though!
Master_Revan666
5 years ago
"mInEcRaFtEr0617;c-2089471" wrote:
"Omeah;d-227073" wrote:

Also Visas Marr isn't technically a part of the Old Republic during the games, so she cannot be counted as such. She had her time to shine, and now it is the overpowered GL's turns to take the spotlight.

How is it that she is not part of the Old Republic? Wasn’t she a faithful satellite of Meetra Surik? Didn't she help Meetra defeat Darth Nihilus? "Visas Marr played a decisive role in rebuilding the Jedi Order. Moreover, fulfilling the prophecy of Kreis, Visas returned to Qatar and finally saw what she should have." :wink:

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