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tiffer72
Rising Veteran
5 years ago

Who thinks TW Match Making works well?

I have been observing the matchmaking on TW for the last few months and it just does not add up. Wins and losses aside, does TW Matchmaking really work?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has >10% more GP than your Guild
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has significantly more Meta's/GL's than your Guild?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild with lower combatants which means they have a higher average GP per player

Fair to me means the same number of Players (give or take 1) have entered TW in each guild and the GP of the players entered is within 2%
so if 30 players with a combined GP of 100M entered in one guild they should be matched against a guild with 29, 30 or 31 with a combined GP of 98m - 102m

It is true, a mismatch does not necessarily mean you will lose if you are the receiving end but that is not the point here, the point is we want CG to review the match making again and involve the players in that process

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  • nottenst's avatar
    nottenst
    Seasoned Ace
    5 years ago
    It has been a rare case that both our guild and the opposing guild have been in the match all the way to near the end. Most of the time it is a mismatch with either our guild running all over our opponent or the other way around.

    One of the problems is that speed mods do not seem as weighted as high as they should be. When there is a discrepancy of say 1000 or more 10+ speed mods between one guild and the other, you have a fairly good idea which guild is going to win.
  • tiffer72's avatar
    tiffer72
    Rising Veteran
    5 years ago
    From what has been said on the forum previously the matching works based on GP of guild members joined at the end of the join window and that's it. There doesn't appear to be anything else. So if 40 join with 90m from one guild and 30 or 32 or 35 or 39 join from another guild but their joined GP is also 90m that's the match.

    One end of the range is fair the other is not


  • MedicOzMosis's avatar
    MedicOzMosis
    5 years ago
    IMHO the TW matchmaking is absolute garbage. We get matched with GLs and no one in our guild is even close to owning one. FTP is yet again the scum on the bottom of the boot.
  • Nikoms565's avatar
    Nikoms565
    5 years ago
    "MedicOzMosis;c-2154913" wrote:
    IMHO the TW matchmaking is absolute garbage. We get matched with GLs and no one in our guild is even close to owning one. FTP is yet again the scum on the bottom of the boot.


    I agree that TW matchmaking is absolute garbage (we've been on both sides of it - this one we have 23 GLs vs. 44 - amazingly, there are 22 defensive slots - two times ago we had 22, our opponents had 6). However, it's not a f2p vs. p2p issue. Many f2p players have GLs. It's just bad matchmaking. Period. There is no need to confuse the issue.
  • tdtwiggy's avatar
    tdtwiggy
    5 years ago
    The latest in our recent string of being screwed by matchmaking. Over the past 3 months this has been a good example of our matchup over 90% of the time. It's been too consistent for too long for this just to be bad luck.


  • Chilichimp's avatar
    Chilichimp
    5 years ago
    War matchmaking is trash, because it doesn't take into account player-count other than to limit defensive deploys, but there's only a finite number of strong defensive/good counter offensive teams. This doesn't wind up being a handicap for the sandbagging guilds, but a boon.
  • Lazy_Sith_PA's avatar
    Lazy_Sith_PA
    5 years ago
    Agreed. Match making needs to be fixed immediately. Our guild is always on the losing end of this ridiculousness. In the most recent match. Our "opponents" cleared ALL of our defense. We couldn't even clear 1/2 of one of their front row territories. They had Galactic Legends on Defense. We barely have any 7 star Malaks. How can we compete against level of mismatch. It's a waste of time to put any effort or thought into setting defenses and deciding what to hold back for attacks. If I'm going to be the Washington Generals, I'm going to find something better to do with my time.
  • tiffer72's avatar
    tiffer72
    Rising Veteran
    5 years ago
    Unfortunately @CG_Doja_Fett has probably already got his hands full...

    We experience this still and lost the last two TW's to guilds that outweighed us. I think more people need to actually flag the mismatch which may help with some analysis, but in essence the process is not looking at average or better still a weighted average GP.

    Active GP is a flawed methodology if the opponent has 10 more or 10 less active players. Active GP and number of players should match: 42 @ 110m vs 41 @ with 111m is a good match. 42 @ 110m vs 32 @ 111m is a bad match!

    I have friends in a guild that were outmatched on paper but cleared the board, only because the opponent set less than half their defence, this result doesn't help understand if there is a genuine mismatch
  • tiffer72's avatar
    tiffer72
    Rising Veteran
    5 years ago
    It's like players in GAC who join but don't compete, they get rewards and no effort but can mess up the opponent's chances of completing the bonus feats...

    As we either come first or second and we all get rewards! So the issue here is more around the enjoyment of the game. We have lost our last two TW but we had a laugh, even seeing how many attempts we could rack up on one squad just for a meme! But players are leaving the game...

    Maybe TW should work on a Division basis like GAC??? Would that help at all???

    Thank you @DarjeloSalas

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Wins and losses aside, does TW Matchmaking really work?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has >10% more GP than your Guild
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has significantly more Meta's/GL's than your Guild?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild with lower combatants which means they have a higher average GP per player

Fair to me means the same number of Players (give or take 1) have entered TW in each guild and the GP of the players entered is within 2%
so if 30 players with a combined GP of 100M entered in one guild they should be matched against a guild with 29, 30 or 31 with a combined GP of 98m - 102m

It is true, a mismatch does not necessarily mean you will lose if you are the receiving end but that is not the point here, the point is we want CG to review the match making again and involve the players in that process","body@stringLength":"1008","rawBody":"I have been observing the matchmaking on TW for the last few months and it just does not add up. Wins and losses aside, does TW Matchmaking really work?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has >10% more GP than your Guild
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has significantly more Meta's/GL's than your Guild?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild with lower combatants which means they have a higher average GP per player

Fair to me means the same number of Players (give or take 1) have entered TW in each guild and the GP of the players entered is within 2%
so if 30 players with a combined GP of 100M entered in one guild they should be matched against a guild with 29, 30 or 31 with a combined GP of 98m - 102m

It is true, a mismatch does not necessarily mean you will lose if you are the receiving end but that is not the point here, the point is we want CG to review the match making again and involve the players in that 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Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829557"},"body":"It has been a rare case that both our guild and the opposing guild have been in the match all the way to near the end. Most of the time it is a mismatch with either our guild running all over our opponent or the other way around.

One of the problems is that speed mods do not seem as weighted as high as they should be. When there is a discrepancy of say 1000 or more 10+ speed mods between one guild and the other, you have a fairly good idea which guild is going to win.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-08-10T14:09:33.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-08-10T14:09:33.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829557","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:85534":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:85534","uid":85534,"login":"tvsfrink","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-08-15T19:02:50.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1721239713000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:85534"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829558":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829558","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829558":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:85534"},"id":"message:3829558","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829558,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829558"},"body":"Mods aren't weighted one bit afaik, nor should they be.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"55","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-08-10T14:36:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-08-10T14:36:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829558","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829559":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829559","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829559":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:66393"},"id":"message:3829559","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829559,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829559"},"body":"From what has been said on the forum previously the matching works based on GP of guild members joined at the end of the join window and that's it. There doesn't appear to be anything else. So if 40 join with 90m from one guild and 30 or 32 or 35 or 39 join from another guild but their joined GP is also 90m that's the match.

One end of the range is fair the other is not


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\"MedicOzMosis;c-2154913\" wrote:
IMHO the TW matchmaking is absolute garbage. We get matched with GLs and no one in our guild is even close to owning one. FTP is yet again the scum on the bottom of the boot.


I agree that TW matchmaking is absolute garbage (we've been on both sides of it - this one we have 23 GLs vs. 44 - amazingly, there are 22 defensive slots - two times ago we had 22, our opponents had 6). However, it's not a f2p vs. p2p issue. Many f2p players have GLs. It's just bad matchmaking. Period. There is no need to confuse the issue.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-08-12T10:25:22.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-08-12T10:25:22.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829561","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:176458":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:176458","uid":176458,"login":"tdtwiggy","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2018-10-05T20:45:57.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1721239691000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:176458"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829562":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829562","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829562":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:176458"},"id":"message:3829562","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829562,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829562"},"body":"The latest in our recent string of being screwed by matchmaking. Over the past 3 months this has been a good example of our matchup over 90% of the time. It's been too consistent for too long for this just to be bad luck.


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This doesn't wind up being a handicap for the sandbagging guilds, but a boon.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-10-27T08:51:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-27T08:51:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":4},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829563","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:2456":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2456","uid":2456,"login":"Lazy_Sith_PA","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-12-04T09:28:57.586-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1721239509000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:2456"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829564":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829564","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829564":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2456"},"id":"message:3829564","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829564,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829564"},"body":"Agreed. Match making needs to be fixed immediately. Our guild is always on the losing end of this ridiculousness. In the most recent match. Our \"opponents\" cleared ALL of our defense. We couldn't even clear 1/2 of one of their front row territories. They had Galactic Legends on Defense. We barely have any 7 star Malaks. How can we compete against level of mismatch. It's a waste of time to put any effort or thought into setting defenses and deciding what to hold back for attacks. If I'm going to be the Washington Generals, I'm going to find something better to do with my time.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-10-27T15:51:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-27T15:51:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829564","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829565":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829565","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829565":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:66393"},"id":"message:3829565","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829565,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829565"},"body":"Unfortunately @CG_Doja_Fett has probably already got his hands full...

We experience this still and lost the last two TW's to guilds that outweighed us. I think more people need to actually flag the mismatch which may help with some analysis, but in essence the process is not looking at average or better still a weighted average GP.

Active GP is a flawed methodology if the opponent has 10 more or 10 less active players. Active GP and number of players should match: 42 @ 110m vs 41 @ with 111m is a good match. 42 @ 110m vs 32 @ 111m is a bad match!

I have friends in a guild that were outmatched on paper but cleared the board, only because the opponent set less than half their defence, this result doesn't help understand if there is a genuine mismatch","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-10-28T01:28:05.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-10-28T01:28:05.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829565","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829566":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829566","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829566":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:66393"},"id":"message:3829566","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829566,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829566"},"body":"It's like players in GAC who join but don't compete, they get rewards and no effort but can mess up the opponent's chances of completing the bonus feats...

As we either come first or second and we all get rewards! So the issue here is more around the enjoyment of the game. We have lost our last two TW but we had a laugh, even seeing how many attempts we could rack up on one squad just for a meme! But players are leaving the game...

Maybe TW should work on a Division basis like GAC??? Would that help at all???

Thank you @DarjeloSalas

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