Even tho i prefer sith and empire. and well the DS as a whole. i am so happy that all of these rebels and other characters that we needed (had) to farm for other events are being able to be used. Not to mention the amount of LS toons that are relevant or worth using are about 2 to 3 times more of them

There is no reason this had to be one way or the other. They could have arranged the table starting from each side moving towards a final battle in the middle, allowing you to play LS defending Hoth and DS advancing on Hoth. This seems ridiculously obvious, and I am a bit flummoxed that they didn't think of this. So much for "every toon matters." And I say this as a primarily light-side player who has most of the toons needed for specific missions. The way they set it up works just fine for me, but I'm not at all surprised that so many folks are irritated right now. This is the biggest game content addition since raids were introduced, and to effectively exclude an entire faction is just bizarre and tone-deaf.

Well Battlefront II you play as a team of imperial/FO soldiers so..... expect them in this game

"Swordd;c-1236656" wrote:There is no reason this had to be one way or the other. They could have arranged the table starting from each side moving towards a final battle in the middle, allowing you to play LS defending Hoth and DS advancing on Hoth. This seems ridiculously obvious, and I am a bit flummoxed that they didn't think of this. So much for "every toon matters." And I say this as a primarily light-side player who has most of the toons needed for specific missions. The way they set it up works just fine for me, but I'm not at all surprised that so many folks are irritated right now. This is the biggest game content addition since raids were introduced, and to effectively exclude an entire faction is just bizarre and tone-deaf. We are in the same boat, and I feel the same way. There has been too much light side/Rebel love. I like light side, and I'm sitting pretty well for this, and I understand that the nature of the movies means that there are more named Rebels.But the light side tilt is hard to defend.There are 16 (soon to be 19) more light side toons than dark. Even the B and C list light side factions (like Jawas, and Ewoks) have important uses, good synergy, and special events. While the dark side sports some of the worst factions in the game. (Nightsisters, Seperatists, Bounty Hunters, Tuskans, etc)And I had the same idea about starting a board from opposite sides, using both, and meeting in the middle. That would have been great. Not trying to steal your thunder with that idea, but as you said it's "ridiculously obvious."Not trying to be too critical of this game mode yet. It looks like a lot of fun. The rewards look great. I'm excited to get into it. I'm 90% positive looking at Territory Battles. But I hope that this marks the end of Rebel love for a bit, and the beginning of some major dark side reworks, character additions, and at some point a dark side focused Territory Battles map. And that's coming from someone who has been desperate to see Mace get a beastly rework for over a year.

"Swordd;c-1236656" wrote:There is no reason this had to be one way or the other.There's no reason anything has to be anything, sure. But there's plenty of reasons why you should do something, for example making this a light sode event this time.Light is popular. Like, way more popular. Way, way, way more popular. Star Wars is the story of the Light Side beating up the Dark Side and taking its lunch money. Sure, Dark Side is cool and edgey in a "Zach Snyder makes the best movies so dark and grin" kind of way. But it's the losing side and it's the evil side. Why wouldn't the first Battle be Light-oriented?

I don't know about everyone else... /sarcasm/ but my first free and unlocked characters were Light Side... the Dark Side characters came a little later.No need to fret, they will release a Dark Side TB in the future. And for the (I'm guessing/speculating this figure) 25% of the player base that focused on Dark Side, are the ones upset that first TB is LS. IF YOU were the developer, you would target the largest audience for success initially, i.e. the other 75% of the playerbase that has strong LS roster. Hence it's less impactful to upset 25% instead of the 75%.Once both LS and DS TB are in full effect this will be a non-issue. And the same for new players who won't have a bias that they expect the game to conform to their imposed character focus. Also, imagine the uproar from the 75% about how the required DS take much longer to farm than most of the LS. Everyone would suffer the less rewards and much longer ramp up time to be prepared for a DS TB.

Why Light Side is the perfect decision for TB.

riffinator24
New Spectator
8 years ago
"Star_Lord1718;c-1236742" wrote:
"Riffinator;c-1236733" wrote:
"ZephimyrAC;c-1236732" wrote:
it could be argued that all the rebel love we have seen thus far has been geared toward these territory battles..

That wouldn't be a good argument

It wouldn't be a good argument because it's a fact.

Says who? For the longest time we had been told we could use our ENTIRE rosters, not just rebels
RacerDejak
8 years ago
"Riffinator;c-1236746" wrote:
"Star_Lord1718;c-1236742" wrote:
"Riffinator;c-1236733" wrote:
"ZephimyrAC;c-1236732" wrote:
it could be argued that all the rebel love we have seen thus far has been geared toward these territory battles..

That wouldn't be a good argument

It wouldn't be a good argument because it's a fact.

Says who? For the longest time we had been told we could use our ENTIRE rosters, not just rebels

Marketing language lol. Sure there will be TB require DS, but not for this Hoth. False advertising :frowning:
BrtStlnd
8 years ago
"HyperCalm1;c-1236736" wrote:
"Jinks;c-1236692" wrote:
"HyperCalm1;c-1236669" wrote:
"Jinks;c-1236645" wrote:
One can can only hope. 2017 was the rear of the Dark Side. This message was approved by Dr. Freud.

Yeah because Nihilus and Thrawn are obviously no good.

Yes. You are 100% correct. They are absolutely no good in TB. Unless CG can release the DS variant within this calendar rear then I stand by my original statement.

And before someone posts that it was a thematic choice, explain how the Rogue One team is participating considering their status at the end of the film.

There was a lot more content released this year than just TB. If you think nothing good was added for Dark Side in 2017 then it's your loss. Oh, and you can deploy them, you just can't use them in missions. If you have them starred and geared you can contribute with their galactic power. I'm sure a bunch of you will complain about the next TB map that DS focused too. Sheesh, there's always something to complain about... It's a game, if you don't enjoy it you don't have to play.

There was DN and Thrawn... and an Empire rework that was not nearly as great as advertised.

I enjoy the game and will continue to play, while also pointing out things that I perceive as poor game decisions by developers. I can walk and chew gum at the same time.
zKnivesy
8 years ago
"Swordd;c-1236656" wrote:
They could have arranged the table starting from each side moving towards a final battle in the middle, allowing you to play LS defending Hoth and DS advancing on Hoth.

This is a cool concept. Would also be nice to choose light or dark and release a different version of the same TB. That would substantially increase the complexity of development but would have been nice nonetheless.
BrtStlnd
8 years ago
Or they could have easily just said “you can use all your characters like we said you could” and not made it a Rebel fest. Rebels get bonuses, but use everyone... no extra development needed.
zKnivesy
8 years ago
"BrtStlnd;c-1236759" wrote:
I enjoy the game and will continue to play, while also pointing out things that I perceive as poor game decisions by developers. I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

As you should. Constructive criticism seems welcome by developers and feedback from the forums has been reflected in the game before.
riffinator24
New Spectator
8 years ago
"BrtStlnd;c-1236771" wrote:
Or they could have easily just said “you can use all your characters like we said you could” and not made it a Rebel fest. Rebels get bonuses, but use everyone... no extra development needed.

But then they couldn't sell the rebel faction packs
BrtStlnd
8 years ago
"Rogee;c-1236792" wrote:
I don't know about everyone else... /sarcasm/
but my first free and unlocked characters were Light Side... the Dark Side characters came a little later.

No need to fret, they will release a Dark Side TB in the future. And for the (I'm guessing/speculating this figure) 25% of the player base that focused on Dark Side, are the ones upset that first TB is LS.

IF YOU were the developer, you would target the largest audience for success initially, i.e. the other 75% of the playerbase that has strong LS roster. Hence it's less impactful to upset 25% instead of the 75%.

Once both LS and DS TB are in full effect this will be a non-issue. And the same for new players who won't have a bias that they expect the game to conform to their imposed character focus. Also, imagine the uproar from the 75% about how the required DS take much longer to farm than most of the LS. Everyone would suffer the less rewards and much longer ramp up time to be prepared for a DS TB.

Hi @Rogee

My point is that it wasn’t necessary to completely limit participation to LS. Give bonuses but let everyone use their characters.
Smokinjoe141414
8 years ago
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JohnnySteelAlph
8 years ago
"NicWester;c-1236754" wrote:
"Swordd;c-1236656" wrote:
There is no reason this had to be one way or the other.

There's no reason anything has to be anything, sure. But there's plenty of reasons why you should do something, for example making this a light sode event this time.

Light is popular. Like, way more popular. Way, way, way more popular. Star Wars is the story of the Light Side beating up the Dark Side and taking its lunch money. Sure, Dark Side is cool and edgey in a "Zach Snyder makes the best movies so dark and grin" kind of way. But it's the losing side and it's the evil side. Why wouldn't the first Battle be Light-oriented?

Not sure I agree with this - arguably the most popular singular character is Vader. Also, the DS doesn't get routed - how many planets between the Death Star and the Starkiller base were destroyed? How many rebels were destroyed? That's some massive destruction done by the DS. Hoth Rebel Soldier, Scout -all the R1 rebels we need for TB - ... were killed by the Empire. Same for Biggs DL. How did the Empire actually end? Not at the hands of LS toons - DV was killed by EP and EP was killed by DV simultaneously. The most key Rebel and LS character in the series was going to be roasted alive by the Emperor. That's an honest commentary that the DS can't win - even when they actually defeat the LS from a personnel standpoint, the LS comes to the surface through Anakin and the connection to his son....but a traditional LS character does not kill DV or EP. Could Luke have killed DV? Yes, if he wanted to - just like DV could have killed Luke earlier. However, had he done that and still refused to join the Emperor, most likely he would have been ground in to a fine dust. The way the series presents the story mainly from the traditional hero side makes it seem like it's some curb stomp - also the ridiculousness with how incompetent some of the troopers aim is - but if you step back and start counting up what actually has happened on screen and what we know of mentioned off screen it's much more balanced.

I think we keep getting rammed with Rebels because of Disney / marketing focus - not anything that's really based in lore. The R1 movie was Rebel-focused, the Rebels cartoon series is rebel focused - Disney pushes the good guys for profit. This game is a big commercial that we are playing.