7 years ago

Addressing Enfys Nest unique protection stacking

I was wowed they released a non-legendary, non-raid toon this good and with no warning. I marveled over the theory last night after unlocking. I stood in horror this morning that she has already taken #1 in my shard on a Rex/wampa/DN/thrawn team replacing CLS at 3 stars and g11 with god speed mods. This morning, Reddit has shown me something initially terrifying but with some potential ways to handle it.

Check this out and pay close attention to what is happening.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/8nigzy/fracturing_a_deathmarked_nest_not_even_a_scratch/

What are we seeing?
A stunned Enfys is already deathmarked and heal blocked. She already has a massive bonus protection bar. She takes 4 hits from thrawn's fracture over the deathmark and healblock, and NOTHING HAPPENS. Seems like a very sticky situation to have gotten into.

***EDIT***--- the OP of the Reddit post has realized that they pre-stacked a very high amount of protection before this by trying to stunlock and burn her. They retried and used a strategy much like one I've posted later in thread and killed her off just fine with their same team.

The ability (at level 1) reads:
"When Nest is damaged by an attack, she gains... 40% bonus protection (stacking). This Bonus Protection increases by an additional 40% each time."

How does her protection stacking work? My theory: 40% on first hit, 80% second hit, 120% third hit, etc? Is this the intended way it is doing it? (I tagged devs below and someone did in the kit release thread) A factorial stacking gives her essentially invulnerability until her next turn if she survives the initial damage and you keep attacking her. .

If they intended it to be 40, 40+40, 40+40+40, etc...Multihitters will give her 80-160% bonus protection in a single attack.

So....Is our only option to hit her ONCE per one of her turns while she can basically put out devastating debuffs, steal tm, stack crit damage if unaddressed, or just sit there and take no damage if attacked? Is our only option Annihilate?

Jaedelyia
Seasoned Newcomer
7 years ago
I said it in the other thread but I'll repeat that here:

I really can't see the logic behind the fact her protection gain isn't stopped by healing immunity like every other protection regen we have so far in the game, would it be coming from the different leader (zeta) ability or coming from a character's unique like Boba has.

It's not a "protection up" buff. It's just virtually identical to the good ol' protection regen, except the regained protection is purple and reset under certain condition. I don't see why it shoudn't be prevented by healing immunity for consistency. It's not like it would cripple her: characters with healing immunity are not exactly by the hundreds, let alone the vast majority of them aren't even close to be meta.

Really, it's vastly overpowered, I don't think a tiny counter with healing immunity is too much to ask. It's would not only be consistent with the rest of the game, but it could also promote the use of less frequently played characters.
EventineElesedi
7 years ago
Probably because she is not regaining lost protection (healing), but is instead gaining extra protection (bonus). Yeah looks OP to me too.
anavelg_o48shga
7 years ago
An SNL skit called Undercover Boss: Starkiller Base from TFA release
tvsfrink
7 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
Jaxons4me
New Spectator
7 years ago
The devs add something cool(Scoundrels Nest Qi'ra & etc) and folks starting belly aching in less than 24hrs!!!! Grow up and accept the new meta(I HOPE)!! Finally a non super RNG dependent meta!! These devs do a lot of hard work coding and balancing this game and the constant complaining on here is no more the level than that of a spoiled child that doesn't get their way and keep the Emp(RNG slave) as meta. Folks already theorocrafting ways to beat something designed to be unbeatable(for a time) is just humerous. Perhaps, taking time to gear the new Scoundrels and drop some $ if you fancy to 7* instead of this insipid sniffling, well served, may be!! Mmmmmm hm hm hm hm....Yes....(in my best Frank Oz voice)
JinxZod
Rising Novice
7 years ago
Nest is now greater then Traya, go figure. Easy enough. Another reason to not do Heroic Sith, out of the 100 other reasons.
DarkHelmet1138
7 years ago
"SlyGambit;c-1566021" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1566000" wrote:
I don't see much issue with this. Most of the meta run sith under ep. That team includes nihilas which can anhilate her. I kinda doubt it'll be meta changing but time will tell.

But most EP teams also run Thrawn and are AoE heavy. You have to pull Thrawn which means you now don't have a cleanser to deal with her AoE Daze which means your DN will never get a turn. They're just not going to be able to hold aganst her. Paired with Wampa under Rex (who the AI can't handle either) EP teams will be easy marks for anyone with a 3s G11 Nest.

This is also true with EP led Traya teams (which are currently the best holding). So Traya owners will have to switch to Traya lead which hasn't shown a lot of good results considering the difficulty in acquiring her.

The only real hope on defense is a Rex team with DN and GK to give dual cleanse. And that assumes the AI uses DN's fracture on Nest. Which is won't. Because AI.

I think you could still run thrawn in the team and fracture her if needed. You just can't fracture her and expect to kill her while fractured. You can still fracture her to get her out of the way. Then kill rest of the team and anhilate her at the end
emvedebe
7 years ago
"Boba_The_Fetter;c-1566168" wrote:
Only word from the devs lately has been about the sith heroic raid rewards, catering to the whales as usual. Be surprised if they comment on this anytime before wallets have been dried out

they already have
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/1565566#Comment_1565566
tvsfrink
7 years ago
"TVF;c-1566378" wrote:
I'm not someone complaining about the kit
Nikoms565
7 years ago
"leef;c-1565981" wrote:
"petersont79;c-1565972" wrote:
Nest is now greater then Traya, go figure. Easy enough. Another reason to not do Heroic Sith, out of the 100 other reasons.

I'm being cautious since i've never faced nest, but i'm guessing i'd rather face a team with nest in it than a team with traya in it.

I've faced Nest - 7* version too. I would much rather face a team with Nest in it (easy win - just stun her and leave her for later - then just use basic attacks and ability block) than even a 5* Traya team. I have never lost to a Nest team in arena. I have lost to Traya almost every time.

Her kit is solid - but easy to defeat if you play smart or run anyone with ability block. If you use Thrawn, his basic is actually better then fracturing her. It speeds her up (which you want) then ability blocks (which is also good). If you run Vader, she will always be limited to her basic, if you alternate his basic and Thrawn's basic. Generally, if you just speed your characters up (and her, to an extent) and not try to slow her down and can prevent her from using her specials too much, she's fairly easy to control.