Obviously speed is a huge stat in this game. Having a character with an ability to automatically go first, and push his team to go first is just as huge. Having a set of g12 clones take out a Darth Revan squad when well modded with a massive amount of speed highlights a major issue with the strategy and balance of the game. I am not writing this to complain about anything, if that is the desired impact then I'm just going to expedite and push to unlock clones even moreso now. I assume two things:#1 - We don't have the 501st Anakin yet, and that could be a huge boost to this team. #2 - Shaak Ti is intended to lead other clones as a secondary squad with future clone marquees released, Ki-Adi-Mundi possibly, we'll see. I assume the top teams in the game are supposed to be (in no specific order), JKR, Sith Empire, Padme lead GR, GG or Nute Separatists.I assume the second tier strongest squads are intended to be Clones, Bugs, etc. Long story short, I don't think Shaak Ti was supposed to work this well with the 501st, but I'd like to ask the developers, is this working as intended or should we expect a change to her leadership to remove the synergy with 501st squad?Reference: Ahnalds video.Q: How strong are you aiming to get the clone reworks when they come?A: Tophat - That's a really difficult question to answer because their power will change with time. You'll just have to wait and see.

Everyone knew Darth Revan and Malak would get countered after the 2nd run.Its probably WIA but who knows.

Lol.. your DR team suddenly gets countered finally after months and it’s a question of whether-or-not the reworks were meant to beat your team.

Clones can beat DR but they struggle with DR+Malak. There are already plenty of teams that can beat DR without malak.

"nabokovfan;d-212674" wrote:Reference: Ahnalds video.Lost me here. YouTubers just make everything seem sensational so you'll keep liking and subscribing.If ShaakClones end up being meta, fine. Let people that G12'd clones ages ago and then had to watch them collect dust for two years have their moment in the sun.

"Jarvind;c-1950469" wrote:"nabokovfan;d-212674" wrote:Reference: Ahnalds video.Lost me here. YouTubers just make everything seem sensational so you'll keep liking and subscribing.If ShaakClones end up being meta, fine. Let people that G12'd clones ages ago and then had to watch them collect dust for two years have their moment in the sun. Don't tease me!

Are Clones working as expected? (Clones vs. DR)

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nabokovfan87
6 years ago
"Hortus;c-1955420" wrote:

They don't exactly "counter" (at least not hard counter) Malak. Good Grievous, Padme, JKR and CLS (did I skip someone?) teams can beat Malak on offense. But all of them are just food for weaker DR teams on defense. Ok, now clones added to the list. What does it change?

A new faction, 501st is released, and they are very obviously missing the leader. You toss in a generic clone leader with abilities similar to Geo Alpha where the leadership is to add some generic buff, speed, and then a base health/protection. Because of the base speed and this additional speed, mathematically it hard counters Malak. It's sad to even see it come close to actually doing damage to malak, but with fives zeta, echo's big hit, it definitely takes that team down.

You can argue symantics of hard vs. soft counters. I posted this thread in the general section because it seemed like a coincidence and not something that was intended. I assume also the developers don't really care because they know General Skywalker is going to be making his way into the game shortly and Shaak Ti won't be around to lead the 501st anymore. This would require some sort of restriction to Shaak Ti's kit which would allow her to work with generic or new clones (can't do that until they are added obviously) or to reset the speed to account for this leadership in comparison to sith empire. Keep in mind, JKR is a speed leadership, Shaak ti, KRU are as well. But the base speeds on the majority of that squad is much lower. When you have a squad designed to have 1 more speed then the meta, and an ability that makes the entire squad gain 100%TM, it's pretty clear how powerful that could be. I think it's a matter of time, I don't think it was intended. That's why I asked the question.
Mephisto_style
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
If clones are going to be meta, that's gonna be hilarious because my 60K Jawas team takes out half of a 90K G12 Clone team with 2 zeta. Can wait to see what my Jawa at 70K do.
jimirecard10
6 years ago
I am in the top #30 of arena with Shaak Ti & Clones. All zetas except Fives’ 15% TM gain one. My Rex has
~380 speed (after mods, leadership and unique bonuses) and, yes, he gives full TM to my team at the beginning of every battle.

I run this team every day now because I like it and it is fun. But my win-rate against DR/Malak teams is about 30%. Against DR (without Malak) teams it’s around 80%. And it is about 90% against JKR. I rarely vs Padme teams because of the attacks out of turn.

I am incredibly sure these interactions are working as intended. I don’t see why this may appear to be not WAI in any way..
RainbowRoxGirl
6 years ago
"Lachie_1;c-1957175" wrote:
I am in the top #30 of arena with Shaak Ti & Clones. All zetas except Fives’ 15% TM gain one. My Rex has
~380 speed (after mods, leadership and unique bonuses) and, yes, he gives full TM to my team at the beginning of every battle.

I run this team every day now because I like it and it is fun. But my win-rate against DR/Malak teams is about 30%. Against DR (without Malak) teams it’s around 80%. And it is about 90% against JKR. I rarely vs Padme teams because of the attacks out of turn.

I am incredibly sure these interactions are working as intended. I don’t see why this may appear to be not WAI in any way..

Have you tried it with anakin in there for heal and buff immunity Vs malak?
jimirecard10
6 years ago
"Skiddlydiddly;c-1957702" wrote:
"Lachie_1;c-1957175" wrote:
I am in the top #30 of arena with Shaak Ti & Clones. All zetas except Fives’ 15% TM gain one. My Rex has
~380 speed (after mods, leadership and unique bonuses) and, yes, he gives full TM to my team at the beginning of every battle.

I run this team every day now because I like it and it is fun. But my win-rate against DR/Malak teams is about 30%. Against DR (without Malak) teams it’s around 80%. And it is about 90% against JKR. I rarely vs Padme teams because of the attacks out of turn.

I am incredibly sure these interactions are working as intended. I don’t see why this may appear to be not WAI in any way..

Have you tried it with anakin in there for heal and buff immunity Vs malak?

I have but my JKA is only 5* G11 and dies instantly..

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