Are Phoenix worth spending Zetas on?

Kanan's zeta is up there with Finn in how much it changes the dynamic of the team. It is a phenomenal zeta choice.

We have 2 full zeta phoenix teams in our shard, and they used to poke into top 50 on occassion, but not since JTR and the 2nd CLS event.

They can beat some meta teams on offense, but the phoenix team will fall hard on defense.

In my opinion, it isnt worth any zeta on phoenix whether for arena or any other part of the game.

"Mobewan;c-1421852" wrote:
We have 2 full zeta phoenix teams in our shard, and they used to poke into top 50 on occassion, but not since JTR and the 2nd CLS event.

They can beat some meta teams on offense, but the phoenix team will fall hard on defense.

In my opinion, it isnt worth any zeta on phoenix whether for arena or any other part of the game.

Also interesting, thank you. I guess by the time you got Thrawn 7* then what's the point in investing in them, right?

Wait let’s back up for a second. You have a maxed out CLS and Zolo and you don’t want to run them in area?

"CoastalJames;c-1421867" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1421852" wrote:
We have 2 full zeta phoenix teams in our shard, and they used to poke into top 50 on occassion, but not since JTR and the 2nd CLS event.

They can beat some meta teams on offense, but the phoenix team will fall hard on defense.

In my opinion, it isnt worth any zeta on phoenix whether for arena or any other part of the game.

Also interesting, thank you. I guess by the time you got Thrawn 7* then what's the point in investing in them, right?

Because they are required for LSTB, and their ships for Chimaera. You'll eventually need multiple teams for LS/DSTB & TW. Why stop until they can full clear TB so it's one less squad you have to use?

There is a full g12 4-zeta Phoenix squad in the top 10 of my Dec '15 shard. I rarely see them fall outside top 20.

"Mobewan;c-1422062" wrote:
@DedrickRogue that is very rare from what ive seen for them to stay in top 20. They are very possibly in a shard discord and get left alone. That looks like the exception that proves the rule. People who like and use Phoenix say they drop hard.

So it must be collusion since your people say they drop? Every team drops, every team loses on defense. The only team that loses less ground at a time is the carbon copy of what the majority of people in that shard are running at any given time. This is the only way you will get attacked mostly for your position alone, rather then team makeup contributing.

"Mobewan;c-1422062" wrote:
And you definitely dont need g12 full zeta phoenix to unlock chimera, seriously?

And there are so many better invesents of teams for tb/tw that would get you better resuslts for 5 g12 gear and 5 zetas.

I never said to take them to g12, or spend 5 zetas? I also never said you needed g12 to get Chimaera. What are you talking about?

I said.... "Kanan's zeta is a phenomenal choice, that changes the whole dynamic of the team." I also said... "If you're gonna gear them up for Thrawn, you might as well get them to a point where they can full clear LSTB."

I don't have a single g12 Phoenix, and only 1 zeta on the squad, nor do I run them in arena; so either I'm terrible at taking my own advice or you're way off base.

Also, I very much disagree; there is no faction in the game that provides as much return on investment as Phoenix.

If lilpup's g12 CLS, Thrawn, RHan, DN, Leia and r2 aren't getting it done in arena; slapping a zeta on a g8 Kanan isn't going to help....in arena. It will make an under geared Phoenix team punch way above it's weight class though.

No they cant

"DedrickRogue;c-1421823" wrote:
Kanan's zeta is up there with Finn in how much it changes the dynamic of the team. It is a phenomenal zeta choice.

Interesting, thanks.

"CoastalJames;c-1421867" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1421852" wrote:
We have 2 full zeta phoenix teams in our shard, and they used to poke into top 50 on occassion, but not since JTR and the 2nd CLS event.

They can beat some meta teams on offense, but the phoenix team will fall hard on defense.

In my opinion, it isnt worth any zeta on phoenix whether for arena or any other part of the game.

Also interesting, thank you. I guess by the time you got Thrawn 7* then what's the point in investing in them, right?

They are required in LSTB, additionally gear/zetas affect their ships strength which are required for Chimaera.

You'll eventually need 2-3 full squads for TB/TW. If you're investing enough into them to get 7* Thrawn, why would you stop until they can go 6/6 in LSTB and get you Chimaera?

Random antidotal sidebar: I know not every arena shard is the same, but on my Dec '15 shard that is 90% CLS or RJT leads there is a g12 4 zeta Phoenix squad in top 10. I've never seen it drop below 25. Phoenix does lose some steam in the early-end game, but a geared-well modded-zeta squad can absolutely compete in arena.

@DedrickRogue that is very rare from what ive seen for them to stay in top 20. They are very possibly in a shard discord and get left alone. That looks like the exception that proves the rule. People who like and use Phoenix say they drop hard.

And you definitely dont need g12 full zeta phoenix to unlock chimera, seriously?

And there are so many better invesents of teams for tb/tw that would get you better resuslts for 5 g12 gear and 5 zetas.