Bastila Jedi Nerf ?

"Shadowscream;c-1630997" wrote:
@Whatelse73
https://swgoh.gg/u/whatelse73/collection/230/ezra-bridger/
You can’t run a Jedi team with gear and mods like this without getting crushed!

For goodness sake you are double my GP! Yet all your Jedi are slower, badly modded and your 2nd highest damage dealer (Ezra) has 60% the physical damage he should do. They also need GMYs Battle Meditation Zeta’d (Which vastly improves both damage output and survivability)

Bastila lead Jedi need to make the fight 4 v 5 very fast or they lose.....

A standard battle goes like this - Vader opens, gets 1 or 2 debuffs - GMY removes Thrawns TM....then the Jedi eliminate Sion and EP before the Sith move again—> it’s over!

Please don’t cry “nerf” while running a slow, undergeared team that lacks its 2nd most important zeta.

Does GMY's zeta make the tenacity stick better? Does Ezra's gear prevent debuffs from landing 90-100% of the time? Does GK require something magic to prevent debuffs? None of the rest of the team has anything to do with Bastila's zeta'd lead providing 150% tenacity while they have protection. With the additional tenacity they have, it goes from 180-200% tenacity on that team. Yet, for three matches I had 3, 5, 10 debuffs stacked on each jedi that still all had protection up. How is that possible?

The zeta doesn't say, "well they have to have god mods you must buy with credits and crystals to be effective!" The zeta says, gives 150% tenacity with protection. Period. If there's that much tenacity, I could understand one or two debuffs getting through, but not debuffs every single attack on every single jedi. That's not right. That's what was happening when they first released her and had to 'fix' something in the system. (Which, I mentioned, could've been broken by the implementation of phase whatever of mods 2.0)

Also, I'm running a Bastila team commensurate with the other Bastila teams in my arena at my ranking. They were doing fine against me last week (resisting debuffs) but this week doesn't seem to be the case. Sorry I'm not a whale like you and able to put god mods on everything, but I'm not trying to attack teams that are massively over my team power level or super speed level compared to me. (though speed does not equal 3000% potency to cause debuffs.)

"Shadowscream;c-1631011" wrote:

I do also wonder whether GK is the right tank (I see you are using him).

I agree with most of what you said, but I've actually tried all the tanks, they all have some benefits, except maybe mace.. But he hits hard. My favorite is Kanan, modded for hsr. His survivability is amazing. I switched to gk recently tho, cuz like you said, speed is key to the win, and his team cleanse and mass assist can drastically change the outcome of battle.

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:

"Whatelse73;c-1630982" wrote:

"Shadowscream;c-1630973" wrote:

"Presaria;c-1630849" wrote:
Bastila was stealth nerfed, end of story.

Nope....Arena Rank 20 today with her....best I’ve ever reached. Occasional debuff lands when my opponent is appropriately modded.

The problem I have with this rubbish. My EP lead team can't do a mass stun but maybe once a week. The AI will do 2-3 mass stuns of my entire team every freakin' match I do. The AI's excessive rolls for itself doesn't help. At the same time, my Bastila team, for a third match now, got obliterated by an EP lead team because it kept landing debuff after debuff on my team with no trouble whatsoever.

If they're going to make tenacity mean something, then do it. Their worthless broken tenacity system is supposed to be fixed by this new mods 2.0 thing happening, but at the same time when I go up against Bastila teams (for weeks now) to try them out and can't land debuffs because they have protection (which grants 150% tenacity) and have to power through, then I put a team in and it gets destroyed because 5, 8, 10 debuffs are stacking up on my team, just days later, then there's a problem.

At the same time, they often have systems get effected by 'other' updates they do in game. So it is very likely that the next phase of mods 2.0 they implemented before the weekend is the cause, if they didn't do a "Stealth nerf" directly to Bastila, Tenacity, etc.

Just frackin' tired of the back n' forth of it. One extreme to the other, letting the AI have better stats, and so on. The RNG of what "could" happen is way too broad. "Well, the AI has 15% chance to get through!" (which means, the AI has a 150% chance to do whatever it wants....)

If this is how Bastila with a zeta on her responds as a lead (any and every debuff hits), then I'll ask support to take the darn thing off her and I'll put it somewhere else. Because from my point of view it is acting like it did the first week or so before they did the "fix" as it didn't work correctly on implementation.

Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works. For the skills that don't have a %debuff chance(sion's aoe for example), those skills start with 100% POTENCY REGARDLESS of the added on players Potency. If Sion has 85% potency, this means his total Potency is 185%.

This is wrong. % Debuff just means chance to apply. So Vader's ability block has an 80% chance to apply. Yoda’s "remove 70% TM" is guaranteed to attempt to apply, but whether it does or not comes down to the tenacity/potency check.

Neither attack has higher potency (from what you claim Vader should have 80%, Sion and Yoda should have 100%).

Attacks go through three checks:
1) Does it hit
2) Chance to apply debuffs (80% Vader, 100% Yoda, Sion)
3) Potency/tenacity check

Top 3 in my Arena shard are now Bastila....
Why are we arguing with a guy who’s blaming a stealth nerf for his loses and won’t acknowledge he’s running an undergeared, badly modded team without GMY zeta? Tarkin stacks Potency and debuffs...the others occasional debuff —> this happens to ALL of us!!!
***The difference is the rest of us have murdered the other team whilst he’s tickling them***

"SnikdaNehpets;c-1631277" wrote:
Well, it’s not really about arguing, or indeed winning or losing, but instead about an apparent change in behaviour that some, but not all, players are seeing. There’s a subreddit thread on this too apparently. Something has changed and is affecting some people and we’d like to understand it.

Tarkin has returned....look at the makeup of the teams landing lots of debuffs —> they are using Tarkin.

I use the same bastila team every time, for 5 or more battles per day, every day since she came out, and have not noticed any difference.

"Whatelse73;c-1631056" wrote:

"DaPowerfulJedi;c-1631038" wrote:

I don’t think Bastila got stealth nerfed, this is the most debuffs I’ve ever seen on my team. I took this screenshot about half an hour ago. The enemy team wasn’t modded for potency. Of the other two sith teams I fought today, only the unrisistable ability block from Vader stuck, no other debuffs. She’s still working for me!

I'm honestly not sure whether you're being sarcastic or serious on this one. I'd expect that many debuffs at once to not be resisted on my EP team with 30-50% tenacity. But my team with 150-200% tenacity? That's a lot of "15% chance!" occurrences happening at one time.

Seriously, all that shows is the AI is telling you, "oh 150+ tenacity? Hold my beer!" Really. Tarkin alone landed 2 buffs on 3 of your team and 1 on 2 of them. On a team you are saying wasn't "modded for potency".

2 of 5 are rebels who cannot resist the IT debuffs from Tarkin.
Tarkin has base 43% potency. His IT gives him potency up (before attempting to apply debuffs) and I am guess in EP lead.so Tarkin had 128% potency not to mention he gains 20% per debuffed enemy, which can be added in while he is Appling debuffs to others (sadly even though it looks like it it AoE debuffs don't immediately apply to all opponents they actually apply one at a time) , so the IT debuffs landed on old Ben and Ezra (he debuffs rebels before non rebels) before the other 3 that is an additional 40% potency so 168% potency when attempting to debuff the 3 non rebels and once offense down is done applying which in that pic looks like it applied to all 4/5 that is 208% potency when crit chance down goes to apply.

So yeah with EP lead Tarkin can drop debuffs on bastila lead pretty easy without being modded for potency.

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:


Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works.

For example, case in point ^

"Fanatic;c-1632595" wrote:

"Crazygone510;c-1631235" wrote:


Yeah don't take it personal but 90% of people don't understand how tenacity v Potency even works.

For example, case in point ^

Welcome to that 90% :)

"Crazygone510;c-1632862" wrote:

"Gannon;c-1632861" wrote:
Yea that guy is wrong, ask a dev. You don't start at 100% potency. I've seen at least three separate comments by moderators stating this. At 6:40 this guy claims that toons start with 100% potency, but he's totally wrong.
At low levels, or if you don't understand the math, it may seem that way.. But it's a product of the tenacity-potency check. Even at base 15 tenacity v 0 potency you still end with only a 15% chance to resist. (15-0=15)
Very different from starting with 100 potency, which would invalidate tenacity almost completely.
Even a bastilla lead would only ever get 15% resist chance, regardless of tenacity if that were the case

Hahaha wow...... enjoy misunderstanding the mechanics of the game nevertheless I'll take the word of Warrior(a game changer that has discussed with the developers and got confirmation by the them that this indeed is correct) over what you try and tell me. Again, welcome to the 90% crew.

@Crazygone510 that guy is wrong. We can see the data mined formula for Tenacity and Potency in the actual game files. He's trying to give a dumbed down version of it which doesn't look that different but is functionally wrong as there isn't a 3rd separate check.