Hello all, I have one major question for all of you guys who can understand game mechanics better than I do. There is this guy in my arena shard that runs zPalp team with zSion, zVader, zDN, Thrawn (all skills maxed) beating anything that moves, including Traya and Revan teams.Now you would say this guy has good mods or the opponents has crap ones, thus I made screenshots of his/her team mods vs a descent Revan team mods. Can someone explain me how is that possible?Opposing revan team: zzzRevan, Bastila, GK, Yoda, zJolee (all skills maxed) Screenshots are named Team - Toon.png as I'd rather not give swgoh.gg links without their consent. This is a repeating situation, not some rng. Please, enlighten me.

his whole team makes the move first, it's easy Just read the zEp leadership ability and Vader unique.

I don't think that the sith team will move first.Revan got 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332Vader got 232 + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed) = 328So if I'm not mistaken Vader shouldn't move first. And furthermore: Every jedi starts with tenacity up, making it harder to get the debuffs to hit in the first place. And the leadership only works if debuffs get removed, not if they get resisted.

Let's assume Vader goes first, Vader can't put any debuff to consume with culling blade and gain TM. Also, I believe this assumption is wrong, Vader has 232 speed + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed)=328.Revan now has 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332Revan goes first, marks DN, game is overEdit: Corrected speed calculations based on Ponnek's comment.

"Ponnek;c-1701678" wrote:I don't think that the sith team will move first.Revan got 292 speed + 40 (5 jedi, 3 old republic * 5 speed) = 332Vader got 232 + 96 (5 jedi, 3 imperial, 4 sith * 8 speed) = 328So if I'm not mistaken Vader shouldn't move first. And furthermore: Every jedi starts with tenacity up, making it harder to get the debuffs to hit in the first place. And the leadership only works if debuffs get removed, not if they get resisted."chmoAr0ufif0u;c-1701683" wrote:Let's assume Vader goes first, Vader can't put any debuff to consume with culling blade and gain TM. Also, I believe this assumption is wrong, Vader has 232 speed + 8*5 for opponent jedi + 8*5 for ally 312.Revan now has 292 speed + 5*5 for allies 317.Revan goes first, marks DN, game is over@Ponnek is right about the speeds @chmoAr0ufif0u +10 speed for each old republic jedi (Revan, Jolee, Basitla)+5 Speed for each non-old republic jedi (GMY, GK)3*10 + 2*10 = +40 SpeedVader+16 Speed for each empire sith (DV, EP)+8 Speed for each empire only (Thrawn)+8 Speed for each sith only (SIon, DN)+8 Speed for each jedi (Revan,Jolee, Bastila, GMY,GK)16*2 + 8*8 = +96 speed

Even if vador goes first, tenacity up makes him total garbage.You can't win with that team against revan (well even against traya)

Beating Revan with zPalp, how's that possible?

X-Kurare-X
7 years ago
A zpalp team can beat a revan team. The thing is mods should be equal and this will result in a 50/50 game as best.

What will happen?
Revan will attack Nihilus and with high chance remove his tm
Thrawn can either switch tm to Nihilus or fracture either Revan or GMY (i have more success rate with gmy)
Than Zimp has a chance to stun everyone except Revan, if Revan is not fractured he will dispell resulting in full tm for all sith and than you must shock gk and and switch tm with zimp to fast land another stun row (high potency is a must to land on jolee).
Now you basically must kill gmy twice and while he is in fracture he wont get free and own your party and block jolee while gk and revan have either cd on their things or one of them hangs in fracture (here makes jolee sense as well as it hinders him to rezz up)

Its very thin timed event to make all this happen and certainly with equal mods not a 100% win rate (maybe a 30%-50% rate).

Its possible with vader or dsb (i use the second).

PS: We have a real bad cls chewie team in our shard with an enfys (no tenacity set) and all at 80-90 speed without any offense mod. No full g12, no single g12 part beating all of our revans on first chance (moving in 10 mins rythm)...however i think the mods are busy right now with the wildfire and now anniversary.
VIR2L_One
7 years ago
"XKurareX" wrote:
A zpalp team can beat a revan team. The thing is mods should be equal and this will result in a 50/50 game as best.

True, I'm also using zEP without Traya and can still climb into top 20 and sometimes even top 5 if I don't face a "roadblock" of very strong Revan squads that I can't beat or only with a 10-20% chance at best, which is pointless trying.
However, looking at the stats posted above, I have to say that this seems suspicious. It's not only the fact that the speed of the EP squad is mediocre (which may be putting it mildly depending on how old the shard is). There seems to be no mod strategy whatsoever that would be worthwile sacrificing speed. The offense stats are weak, DN is by far not as tanky as he could be and potency isn't prioritized either. I strongly doubt that this squad has a better than 10% chance to beat a Revan squad like the one shown above, which is not super fast but hits very hard with GMY.

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