Boba Fett's defense penetration

@NicWester thanks for the reply as well

Boba gets Defense Pen at G12 I thought.... And yet, I can't find it.

@UnbelieverInME he gets armor penetration. The stats I show above are from a maxed gear BF

"OneWorldAway;c-1692782" wrote:
scuba cool thanks for the clarification. See where I was getting mixed up? Was rather confusing. Cheers.

No problem

"OneWorldAway;c-1692783" wrote:
CG_SBCrumb could this be a typo?

it is not a typo really since that have always set it that way, same as robot dog. easier to say defense penetration in case they change things in the future

"UnbelieverInME;c-1692787" wrote:
Boba gets Defense Pen at G12 I thought.... And yet, I can't find it.

He get armor penetration
no gear gives offense, defense, defense penetration
they give
physical damage, special damage, armor, resistance, armor penetration, resistance penetration

most likely the new stat is so they can do things in the background easier.

"UnbelieverInME;c-1692794" wrote:
So, if Armor Pen is based off Defense Pen, and your defense Pen of 0 gets doubled to 0, your Armor Pen is still based off your doubled 0...which is 0.... right? So it still doesn't actually ADD anything.

Armor penetration is its own stat

basically ignore that defense penetration stat completely.

don't make it harder than it is.

physical damage is mitigated by armor
special damage is mitigated by resistance
armor penetration ignores some armor
resistance penetration ignores some resistance

if you are hell bent at looking at that defense penetration stat look at it this way

final armor/resistance penetration = base armor/resistance penetration + (base armor/resistance penetration x defense penetration%)

same way offense up works

final physical/special damage = base physical/special damage + (base physical/special damage x offense up%)

I mean, if they're just buffing Armor Pen and Physical Pen independently then it should say so. The way it's written there is no reason to think there's any benefit. It says nothing about Armor Pen or Physical Pen.. Even though they're derivative, they're obtained by multiplying a 0 according to it's own description. The wording is... misleading at best.

"UnbelieverInME;c-1692807" wrote:
??

208 = 208 + (208 x 0)
208 = 208 + 0
208

What am I missing? Has it been that long that I've forgotten some basic math somewhere?

So with the payout

If you see the mechanics shot I posted above it does nothing with the defense penetration stat it modifies armor/resistance penetration

208 + (208 x 200%) = 624

that is why I am trying to tell you to ignore the defense penetration stat in character screen. it means nothing

"scuba;c-1692781" wrote:

"OneWorldAway;c-1692236" wrote:

Looks like defense penetration and armor penetration to me

That must be something new with a recent update.
as you see below it does nothing to that stat



my guess is they are trying to get away from modding both stats with Uniques and buffs so building in another way to that

My guess would be that in order to invlude a Defense Penetration unique, they had to add that stat to the game.

"UnbelieverInME;c-1692794" wrote:
So, if Armor Pen is based off Defense Pen, and your defense Pen of 0 gets doubled to 0, your Armor Pen is still based off your doubled 0...which is 0.... right? So it still doesn't actually ADD anything.

The way bonus percentages is calculated is additive. So +200% doesn’t mean triple the base value, it means you add 200% to whatever the base value is. So 0+200% = 200%. That’s then applied independently to Armor Penetration and Resistance Penetration and Bob’s your uncle!

The rule of thumb is that if something is expressed as an integer (as Armor Penetration or Physical Attack are, for instance) then a % increase is multiplicative. If something is expressed as a percentage, then a % increase is additive. And if you think that’s weird..... YOU’RE RIGHT! It IS! But it works, and that’s how they’ve balanced abilities and stuff, so it’s alright!

"NicWester;c-1692925" wrote:

"scuba;c-1692781" wrote:

"OneWorldAway;c-1692236" wrote:

Looks like defense penetration and armor penetration to me

That must be something new with a recent update.
as you see below it does nothing to that stat



my guess is they are trying to get away from modding both stats with Uniques and buffs so building in another way to that

My guess would be that in order to invlude a Defense Penetration unique, they had to add that stat to the game.

"UnbelieverInME;c-1692794" wrote:
So, if Armor Pen is based off Defense Pen, and your defense Pen of 0 gets doubled to 0, your Armor Pen is still based off your doubled 0...which is 0.... right? So it still doesn't actually ADD anything.

The way bonus percentages is calculated is additive. So +200% doesn’t mean triple the base value, it means you add 200% to whatever the base value is. So 0+200% = 200%. That’s then applied independently to Armor Penetration and Resistance Penetration and Bob’s your uncle!

The rule of thumb is that if something is expressed as an integer (as Armor Penetration or Physical Attack are, for instance) then a % increase is multiplicative. If something is expressed as a percentage, then a % increase is additive. And if you think that’s weird..... YOU’RE RIGHT! It IS! But it works, and that’s how they’ve balanced abilities and stuff, so it’s alright!

until you see the way armor and resistance are shown in game then it all gets confusing