"Jarvind;c-1780618" wrote:
"thedrjojo;c-1780595" wrote:
Wouldn't the stacking tenacity that people wanted traya to get instead of nerfing Finn then make this strategy even more viable?
Here's the thing I don't understand about the "stacking tenacity" argument. Traya already has two sources of stacking tenacity - she gains 30% (I think? It's a big chunk, anyway) every time you hit her until her next turn, and she gains 10% permanently every time you kill one of her sabers. So it's already basically impossible to land anything on her after a couple turns. The FinnP0 loop only worked if you could keep her permanently in the first topple, and you still had to stack everyone with massive potency for it to work consistently.
What else were they going to add? "Traya gains eleventy billion percent tenacity anytime anything happens, because STOP DOING EXPOSE TRAINS YOU GUYS JEEZ."
Plus, and this is the bit nobody ever has a good answer for: changing Traya is a band-aid fix, because any future bosses would have to include similarly ridiculous tenacity gains to prevent just using this same exploit on them. Tweaking Finn fixes the issue permanently and allows for the possibility of future bosses that we'll be able to debuff.
And I dunno about you, but I find the stacking tenacity gimmick really boring and lazy. "Let's make this artificially and uncreatively difficult by effectively making 50% of the abilities in the game useless or drastically less effective." I'd much prefer a boss that can be debuffed while still providing a challenge, so it doesn't feel like my guys are whiffing constantly. Stacking tenacity is fine for one raid, but making it the norm just as a failsafe against poorly-tested mechanics would be the worst.
"Acrofales;c-1780610" wrote:
Clearly if their intention is to remove all the loops from the Traya - c3po interaction, they should change c3po.
This is what I've said since this became an issue, but I (correctly) predicted that they wouldn't touch him because he had just been released like two weeks before, and the rage from people who went all out to get him would be ridiculous. Now we've got the CLS version of the loop, and I honestly think they'll just say screw it and let it be. It doesn't work on auto, and it would take ages to do the entire phase on manual. Plus, gimping your 3P0 really screws you out of a lot of performance in other areas, mainly PVP related, so I feel like most just won't be willing to do it in the first place.
All valid points, most which I agree with. The only place I don’t agree is that there should never be a case where having a character geared up leaves you worse off than having them undergeared, and that’s what this is. If they’re not going to fix it, and go against the philosophy they applied to Zombie, then they should at least extend the opportunity to all of us to determine how we want to gear C3PO ourselves based on new information.
I’m not advocating for that necessarily, I’d rather see the interaction fixed and continue working under the assumption that gearing up is always better.
