So as I made clear yesterday churrit combined with baze is one of the only things I find "OP" in this game and I'm going to list why.I went to swgoh.gg and compared quite a few toons to churrit on multiple categories and stats for what they represent.As I've said the problem with churrit and baze is that they excel in multiple roles having entire metas wrapped up in just their kits and they excel at all these roles better than specific toons that have one functioning role.So first let's talk about how churrit is essentially a healer and how he stacks against other healers.So with churrit healing abilities coupled with his speed and physical damage he is the strongest, fastest and all around best healer over barris and lumi who's only role is to heal.Now not only does churrit heal but he also cleanses so let's compare him to toons who are in the meta who cleanse.Churrit compared to Rex the primary cleansers, churrit has the highest base speed at 153 the highest physical damage at 2792 making him arguably the best cleanser as well also making Rex less viable as he was the go to cleanser.Now let's talk churrit and the attacking role, out of tons of attackers including, Vader,wiggs,boba,lando,qgj,ani,TFP and not including rebels he gains synergy with he is the 2nd fastest and 2nd hardest hitting base damage toon.So on top of him excelling in healing, and cleansing he provides one of the best roles as an attacker as well especially with synergy with baze and retribution. Having balance would him being good at all roles if he is suppose to be a balanced attacker but he shouldn't excel and be the best in multiple roles compared to toons who have just 1 primary. I only compared him to toons that are in use with the current meta and didn't compare him to the new rebels conferring he just gets more synergy with them anyways.His stats were compared to approx 15 toons of the current meta yet alone the other 70 that aren't even viable as is in this meta.Excel chart coming soon

I prefer a PowerPoint and an executive summary.

This is my biggest issue with these two. If you want a team featuring a healer, cleanser, taunter, dispeller, and attacker then you can sit down and spend time thinking about who to farm in order to achieve that while maximizing synergy to maintain competiveness, or you can open your wallet and shell out cash for these two. This power creep is bad for strategy in the game

They're so damn good together. It really pisses me off. And what makes it even worse is I'm not gonna be happy until I beat one of these teams. There are three guys in my shard that use this combo and literally none of us that don't use it can't touch them.

I managed to beat one of these teams today but it really is based on luck (like if the AI does really stupid things).This type of stuff makes the game really irritating and frustrating... not the qualities you are looking for in a game. I'm happy with toons being better than others but this is on another level.

I strongly dislike this style of design. Power creep is inevitable to an extent, but at least give characters roles. If a character is to be a jack of all trades character, thats also an option, but remember to make it a master of none. Either make an exceptional healer, or make a mediocre combined healer, attacker, and support. Don't make the character excel in more than one area, and if it does excel in an area make it weak in others. Overloading kits this way both hurts the current game and the future design space.

Churrit OP discussion | EA Forums

Sacull_Kinslaye
8 years ago
Lando isn't op. Wiggs is op. The synergy is overly ridiculous. Needs to be 30% as effective. However Chaze is ridiculously overpowered. In every aspect. On both characters.

Also... I defeat wiggs team all the time (not by choice... mainly cause there isn't hardly anything else played that high...) And I don't have wiggs, shore, nor Chaze.
tuftedpaper85
8 years ago
"JediGhost117;823175" wrote:
"xReDeMpx;822924" wrote:
"JediGhost117;822913" wrote:
Considering that none of you are willing to acknowledge Wiggs and Lando being OP, your argument loses a little validity. Next, where can you farm Chirrut right now? I guarantee that when he becomes f2p y'all will be the first ones to get him. If he's so dang OP then protest it like adults and not use him when he becomes available. Bunch of hypocritical crybabies here.

Wiggs has nothing to do with this discussion.

And I don't even think wiggs is op because their primary synergy was to deal damage and heal for rebels which are done correct.

Chaze combo is like wiggs 2.0 that adds a few more roles to excel at

That's your problem and why this discussion lacks validity. If you aren't going to recognize the source of Chaze's becoming OP, then you aren't doing anything besides whining.

Wiggs is what led to baze and his auto taunt at the start of the match, but they didn't lead to Chirrut being a "'balanced' attacker who heals, dispels buffs, and grants tenacity up". Palpatine is what led to that, but I haven't seen you make a single post asking for palpatine to be nerfed. If you aren't going to recognize the source of chaze becoming op, then you aren't doing anything besides whining...
BrtStlnd
8 years ago
"Astrid1381;823002" wrote:
"JediGhost117;822913" wrote:
Considering that none of you are willing to acknowledge Wiggs and Lando being OP, your argument loses a little validity. Next, where can you farm Chirrut right now? I guarantee that when he becomes f2p y'all will be the first ones to get him. If he's so dang OP then protest it like adults and not use him when he becomes available. Bunch of hypocritical crybabies here.

you still complain that wiggs is op?get your shore trooper that can absorb the first wiggs shot,get your shore trooper so you can put crit immunity so landos aoe is useless,people have benn telling you that and whenever someone disagrees with you you just get angry and say that only you are right

Get my shoretrooper?! Tell me where to get him without spending more than my first car costs on a mobile video game?
scuba75
Rising Traveler
8 years ago
Not saying chirrut and Baze aren't strong but they aren't the first to go outside their class.

Luminara is an attacker with healing abilities
Bariss is a healer with cleanse ability
Aalya is a support with heal ability
Mace is a tank with heal ability
Ahsoka is an attacker with heal ability
Hot rebel solider is a support with taunt ability
AfricanJuJuBird
8 years ago
"scuba;824051" wrote:
Not saying chirrut and Baze aren't strong but they aren't the first to go outside their class.

Luminara is an attacker with healing abilities
Bariss is a healer with cleanse ability
Aalya is a support with heal ability
Mace is a tank with heal ability
Ahsoka is an attacker with heal ability
Hot rebel solider is a support with taunt ability

And Biggs is apparently a support lol. Pretty sure those classifications are essentially meaningless
vCx-Redemption
8 years ago
"scuba;824051" wrote:
Not saying chirrut and Baze aren't strong but they aren't the first to go outside their class.

Luminara is an attacker with healing abilities
Bariss is a healer with cleanse ability
Aalya is a support with heal ability
Mace is a tank with heal ability
Ahsoka is an attacker with heal ability
Hot rebel solider is a support with taunt ability

Yeah don't really know what kind of point your trying to make.

Toons have always went outside of roles but never excelled at multiple roles like chaze
KeLe227
8 years ago
Droids were almost OP at one point (except for presence of Rex). But they were free. Wiggs was OP at one point, but he was free within a week of this OP'd ness. This makes Wiggs the Hero of the Free2P People!

Lando was never OP'd, IMO. He was just Rey 2.0, and he always had plenty of counters.

Baze, himself, was available in Shard Shop. Long enough for me to 4 star him. Anyone on an April shard or earlier probably could have easily gotten him for free. Yeah, at 4 star he effectively counters Wiggs.

Chaze is OP and pay. Which makes him Rex/Fac 2.0. Which is fine, since Rex and Fac are now free (and barely useful, anymore). Rex whales on my shard were getting bored of having to compete with Wiggs, so now they get to be OP again. And you think Chaze is OP? Just wait for the next OP toons that use Chaze for a mop.
scuba75
Rising Traveler
8 years ago
"xReDeMpx;824083" wrote:
"scuba;824051" wrote:
Not saying chirrut and Baze aren't strong but they aren't the first to go outside their class.

Luminara is an attacker with healing abilities
Bariss is a healer with cleanse ability
Aalya is a support with heal ability
Mace is a tank with heal ability
Ahsoka is an attacker with heal ability
Hot rebel solider is a support with taunt ability

Yeah don't really know what kind of point your trying to make.

Toons have always went outside of roles but never excelled at multiple roles like chaze

My point is based on part of your argument that other characters do not excel at multiple roles. Luminara as an attacker excels as a healer. Bariss as a healer excels as a cleanser.

it will keep happening that characters excel at multiple roles. Chirrut and Baze just take it to the next level. They need to or what is the point of new characters if they do the same old same old. Why would people spend for new stuff when they can stick with the old for nothing.
ElleMadara
8 years ago
"Tuftedpaper85;823731" wrote:
"JediGhost117;823175" wrote:
"xReDeMpx;822924" wrote:
"JediGhost117;822913" wrote:
Considering that none of you are willing to acknowledge Wiggs and Lando being OP, your argument loses a little validity. Next, where can you farm Chirrut right now? I guarantee that when he becomes f2p y'all will be the first ones to get him. If he's so dang OP then protest it like adults and not use him when he becomes available. Bunch of hypocritical crybabies here.

Wiggs has nothing to do with this discussion.

And I don't even think wiggs is op because their primary synergy was to deal damage and heal for rebels which are done correct.

Chaze combo is like wiggs 2.0 that adds a few more roles to excel at

That's your problem and why this discussion lacks validity. If you aren't going to recognize the source of Chaze's becoming OP, then you aren't doing anything besides whining.

Wiggs is what led to baze and his auto taunt at the start of the match, but they didn't lead to Chirrut being a "'balanced' attacker who heals, dispels buffs, and grants tenacity up". Palpatine is what led to that, but I haven't seen you make a single post asking for palpatine to be nerfed. If you aren't going to recognize the source of chaze becoming op, then you aren't doing anything besides whining...

WHAT? Palpatine is the ONLY strong character that the Empire have, and you are crying about it? Lol, he is super squishy he gets anhilated in the first turn if you dont have a Shoretrooper, and if you havent noticed yet, HE IS THE MAIN BAD GUY of the Empire, Wiggs, Lando and Chirrut/Baze are BROKEN and they are just a bunch of nonames.
vCx-Redemption
8 years ago
"scuba;824533" wrote:
"xReDeMpx;824083" wrote:
"scuba;824051" wrote:
Not saying chirrut and Baze aren't strong but they aren't the first to go outside their class.

Luminara is an attacker with healing abilities
Bariss is a healer with cleanse ability
Aalya is a support with heal ability
Mace is a tank with heal ability
Ahsoka is an attacker with heal ability
Hot rebel solider is a support with taunt ability

Yeah don't really know what kind of point your trying to make.

Toons have always went outside of roles but never excelled at multiple roles like chaze

My point is based on part of your argument that other characters do not excel at multiple roles. Luminara as an attacker excels as a healer. Bariss as a healer excels as a cleanser.

it will keep happening that characters excel at multiple roles. Chirrut and Baze just take it to the next level. They need to or what is the point of new characters if they do the same old same old. Why would people spend for new stuff when they can stick with the old for nothing.

There's a difference tho.

These toons came out gen 1 as I call it where they didn't have entire metas wrapped up in their kit.

An attacker that heals is way different than an attacker that heals/cleanses/buffs/ counters and does all those things better than other toons with specific ONE role purpose.

I've been gaming for a very long time over multiple different platforms and have helped devs balance games specifically killzone.

Power creep to this extreme hurts the game and you honestly underestimate people's spending ability. Most people will throw money at a new toons that is exclusive to them for that fact alone yet alone them being good.

Where as it's better to have new toons that come out and add dynamics to increase spending it's also detrimental to make previous investments useless or on a near useless level because of the power creep.

There is a thing called balance that this game is severely lacking.