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6 years ago

CLS Rebels should be meta over Darth Revan, here’s why.

I’m having problems with even Non-Malak Darth Revan teams with at least 10k less BP than my rebels, which currently have four Gear XIII members (Gear 12.5 R2-D2). I started the game with BH mains which led to Chewie, etc. and I knew I wanted to go rebels when I saw all the Jedi Knight Revan teams filling up the top 50 and researched Rebels as a great counter to them, which they are. Now that I have my squad the top 25 at least has become overrun with Darth Revan teams, some of which I’m sick of losing to when they should be weaker than me.

Reasons why CLS Rebels should be meta:
1. They’re harder to obtain
2. They’re the most iconic characters in Star Wars
3. Your typical Darth Revan squad doesn’t even make sense.

1. Darth Revan requires 5 characters to be brought to 7 stars and geared up. Two of them (Bastila Fallen and HK-47) end up in your meta squad so that’s Twp was characters you have to farm to make the full squad. Thrawn and Sith Trooper round out the most common squad I see. So that’s seven total characters you have to grind to get a decent Darth Revan squad I’m referring to here.

CLS requires five characters at 7 star and decent gear: Old Ben, FB Luke, ST Han, Leia and R2. R2D2 requires a decent Empire squad, that’s 5 more toons you gotta grind and gear. Chewbacca requires five extremely well geared 7 star BH with at least som zetas to obtain at 7 stars. That’s 15 so far. C-3P0 requires very well decked out Ewoks with at least some zetas as well to get at 7 stars. That’s 20 toons. And raid Han requires having a guild running Heroic Pit and possibly at least a lot of time to get to 7 stars. And it can’t be a guild where you only get a few Han shards per raid or it’ll take forever. They have to either Sim for 10 each time or you have to be in the top of the results list. Darth Revans event is right on par with Chewbacca and I would argue C-3P0. So you can’t say the events difficulty makes up for the lack of overall characters needed to get this extremely overpowered toon.

2. Darth Revan’s storyline is talked about in KOTOR2, where I the games creators decided he went dark side even though the original KOTOR allowed you to finish as a Jedi if desired. The KOTOR2 characters talk about Revan, but you never see Revan in the game, and your main character is not Revan as in the first game, as if the creators were setting the series up for a third installment to finish off a trilogy that never came where Revan would’ve been more involved.

CLS, Han, Chewie, 3P0 and R2 had no problems finishing off their trilogy and then some. They no problems giving fans hours of beloved screen time. They ARE Star Wars. More than any other characters in the series outside of maybe Leia. It’s ridiculous that an obscure, mysterious character from a couple of (albeit high quality) video games is more powerful than these five characters who willed that first movie to be good enough to even allow for Empire Strikes Back to be made and the eventual massive expansion of the Star Wars universe that ensued. We owe everything to them. Not Revan.

3. What is this Sith Trooper Darth Revan squad about and how does it even make any sense. MAYBE Canderous and Juhani alongside HK, Bastila and Revan would’ve followed the storyline and made sense for synergy. But first of all, anytime you have an unnamed character like a Sith Trooper involved in a squad more powerful than the 5 most iconic characters in Star Wars you have a serious problem.

On top of this you most often have teams with Thrawn, who is from another time several millennia in the future, which just adds to a lack of synergy compared to the CLS Rebels.

Otherwise you might have Sith Lords who wouldn’t have joined up with Revan and other ransoms a lot of the times, because Darth Revan and Bastila together are way too overpowered.

I’ve often killed 3/5 of their guys then had DR and Bastila kill all 5 of mine with a couple aoes. It doesn’t make any sense.

Shouldn’t Jedi Knight Revan and Darth Revan be equal in their power if they require the same amount of characters to unlock? Again, I went Rebels to heat JK Revan teams and now all of a sudden DR teams dominate the top 25 with maybe one JK Revan team in the mix. I’m looking for a nerf to DR and mAybe fallen Bastila to make the much harder effort to get Rebels worthwhile. Thanks for reading!

iiiLOVEYOU_e05q
6 years ago
Let it all out buddy.
We have all been there.
ChristophIV
Hero+
6 years ago
I'm pretty sure in KOTOR 2 you chose whether Revan was LS or DS (and male or female) in an early conversation with Atton, which decides how he is represented from that point on.
NyKynoe
6 years ago
Technically speaking rebels are easier to get, they have been in game longer and the requirements of the events have been known and accessible longer. Players playing a year before DR launched would have had an easier time getting a rebel squad together than a DR team, but that's just an example.

Anything referencing lore or iconic status doesnt matter and has never matter and has been stated to not be a focus of the game from the beginning.

From the conception of the game, the squad lineup has been stated to be a "sandbox" allowing you to set mortal enemies or charclacter from different eras shoulder to shoulder and fight your enemy, teams not making sense has been a thing well before them and has never had a bearing on the game, it shouldn't start now.
wesmay4367
6 years ago
Wish I was on his shard....only around 25 DR teams? And most running thrawn? I would never move from 1st lol
DarkHelmet1138
6 years ago
Yes, cls is a harder team to farm for new players but for older players tgat wasn't the case. Most already had cls, so check that off. Several already had bhs when chewie came. So a little bit of gear was all that was req. Same with ewoks. No profit in characters that have been out forever being meta. Just how it works.

Though the req for cls aren't that bad even for new players. I farmed them as an after thought while focusing primarily on jkr and just getting them from areas where i didn't need jkr farms and still finished them rather quickly. Granted getting chewie and 3p0 take more time but raid han comes quickly since you can almost immediately get in a heoric rancor guild if you look for one.
SilverbackMM
6 years ago
I don’t see how Rebels are more easily farmed with the points I’ve made. You could literally join the game for the first time tomorrow, start farming FIVE characters religiously and end up with a 3/5 of a squad that can hold a top spot in squad arena. You need to farm at least TWENTY to get Rebels. 2 of the five characters you need to farm for DR will already be geared up when you get him. With Rebels you still have to gear everyone once you get them. I get you have to add new content, but C3P0 was new content! Chewbcacca was new content! Both of which are extremely arduous to acquire. How can you say technically it’s easier to get Rebels?!
wesmay4367
6 years ago
Because to make a true DR team requires 2 heroe journeys and and 10 toons that you will want g12 and zetad to prevent the loss of at least 2 devices you play on. So while you may have to farm a few more characters to get your CLS team you're talking about the difficulty of events wash out. Metas shift and that's just a fact of this game
Rath_Tarr0
6 years ago
"SilverbackMM;c-1927928" wrote:
Chewbacca was new content. c3P0 was new content. Why am i the only one in top 50 with Rebels on my shard and the rest are DR or Jedi knight Revan? Because I earned it and they didn’t, that’s why. They can’t handle the Chewie and C3P0 events. I can and I did. I should be rewarded. But it all comes down to $$$, which anyone who has Malak is involved with. We have a Discord for our shards squad arena and this guy said he went through hundreds of mods today and still doesn’t have one with 20+ speed. You know who gets hundreds of mods in a day? Whales. And I beat his ****. With skill and grace. I’ve only been playing this game a year. I luckily chose BH mains to start that led me down a path that was beneficial for multiple reasons and eventually led to the Rebel mains I have now. I almost intuitively made choices that were excellent to lead to me being where I’m at right now with these Rebels but I am no whale and the opposite if anything. The fact that I’m #6 as we speak and competing against these credit card addicted whale scum should mean something. There should be an avenue for pro gamers to come along and say, even though you paid all this money, I’ll still crush you. But there’s not because Disney = capitalism and the immoral cruelty of it all is the taking advantage of good people with sharp minds.

And there we have it, the true impetus for this thread: self-entitlement, self-aggrandization, martyrdom and bitterness all wrapped up in one long-winded paragraph.
Mephisto_style
6 years ago
I am a protagonist for better social policy and removing corruption from America's pseudo-capitalism, but I never look at CG's meta-choice as an example of those problems I detest.
RainbowRoxGirl
6 years ago
"SilverbackMM;c-1927928" wrote:
Chewbacca was new content. c3P0 was new content. Why am i the only one in top 50 with Rebels on my shard and the rest are DR or Jedi knight Revan? Because I earned it and they didn’t, that’s why. They can’t handle the Chewie and C3P0 events. I can and I did. I should be rewarded. But it all comes down to $$$, which anyone who has Malak is involved with. We have a Discord for our shards squad arena and this guy said he went through hundreds of mods today and still doesn’t have one with 20+ speed. You know who gets hundreds of mods in a day? Whales. And I beat his ****. With skill and grace. I’ve only been playing this game a year. I luckily chose BH mains to start that led me down a path that was beneficial for multiple reasons and eventually led to the Rebel mains I have now. I almost intuitively made choices that were excellent to lead to me being where I’m at right now with these Rebels but I am no whale and the opposite if anything. The fact that I’m #6 as we speak and competing against these credit card addicted whale scum should mean something. There should be an avenue for pro gamers to come along and say, even though you paid all this money, I’ll still crush you. But there’s not because Disney = capitalism and the immoral cruelty of it all is the taking advantage of good people with sharp minds.

??I'm hoping this sarcasm??.

If you're the only CLS team, then it pretty much shows the other teams are more effective.

A CLS team is not hard to get and people who've been playing a while will have gathered it as part of their natural progression. I gathered mine using underpowered characters. Not because I'm a great player, but because I'm tight and with perseverance it can be done (my BH and ewoks weren't very good)

A full DR team (including malak)requires more effort to obtain. You may disagree, but it was also 100% attainable as FTP by players who ranked highly in arena,picked up on the clues and managed resources well.