While I found KRU kit nice overall (lead is great and unique also fits really nicely too) the other abilities seem much more... disapointing.Basic is Ok: tenacity down is nice and also the taunt mechanic, but it hits really really little.Halt should be undispellable: It has no point to have a great two turns stun with all the multiple cleanses there are now in game: Chirrut, rex, ackbar, FOO, kanan, hera, GK, thrawn, finn, talia, bb8... without that is just only a small annoyance.Focused rage hit ok to stun targets, but it recovers health. It should be proteccion just like masked kylo ren. Passive unique recovers health on hit and also halt recovers 10% health, it has no point to recover even more health with this ability.Also, for being a tank with low damage his survivability should be higher (he has low prot and health for being a tank, compared to baze, gk, shoretrooper, sith trooper, etc) and recovering prot with this special would help with that.What do you think?

"Darth_Amarth;c-1396495" wrote:The optimal FO team is KRU, Kylo, SFTP, FOST and FOO. Thanks to FOO, the team can stun everyone like crazy and Gains lots of TM and buffs (that provide Heals if you have KRU Zeta).In my opinion, we need Hux as a viable replacement for FOO that can reduce CDs and cleanse. Also some Offense up will be nice, given the fact that CRIT change/damage and speed are already there.This team can perfectly win against the meta from what I've seen.Damn, why would you post that just when i finally made up my mind to put a zeta on FTP? I was planning to go for kru(L) fost fotp foo thrawn but now i feel i need to consider more...

KRU has a very nice balanced kit imo. And that’s the difference between LS and DS. DS toons are balanced. LS toons are overpowered..

"DeepChu;c-1397207" wrote:That is why he needs something else or FO will never be part of arena meta.There's so much more to the game than arena. You have galactic war, events, raids, heroic raids, territory battles, territory wars, fleet arena... Arena is just one of several co-equal parts of the game. Not everything has to cater to just that one, narrow area.

Hah! Yeah I've had that twice in GW.. From a lowly geared Biggs... Kru hits him like a wet noodle and eventually dies from the repeated counters. Having run both the meta and FO teams and finishing first in arena every day I can say that FO are still some ways off being as viable as several of the other teams currently sitting in top arena. Beating FO is as easy as this.. Stun FOO with zhan. Cls ignore taunt, kill FOO. You win. I could auto most battles using cls meta..FO needs careful strategy ...which don't get me wrong, that's actually quite fun. But knowing that on defense they're a walk in the park kinda ducks. .and drop like a rock comparatively. Heres what i know. In the current era of swgoh if you don't have critical immunity your probably screwed. Either squishy toons need a protection/health boost or damage needs to dialed down. The later will never happen. ..actually neither will.

"lamatoe;c-1398102" wrote:Hah! Yeah I've had that twice in GW.. From a lowly geared Biggs... Kru hits him like a wet noodle and eventually dies from the repeated counters. Having run both the meta and FO teams and finishing first in arena every day I can say that FO are still some ways off being as viable as several of the other teams currently sitting in top arena. Beating FO is as easy as this.. Stun FOO with zhan. Cls ignore taunt, kill FOO. You win. I could auto most battles using cls meta..FO needs careful strategy ...which don't get me wrong, that's actually quite fun. But knowing that on defense they're a walk in the park kinda ducks. .and drop like a rock comparatively. Heres what i know. In the current era of swgoh if you don't have critical immunity your probably screwed. Either squishy toons need a protection/health boost or damage needs to dialed down. The later will never happen. ..actually neither will. Hmm, I’d say you’ve been fighting some crappy FO teams. If you stunned my FOO, my Thrawn would cleanse him next, FOO would give TM to FOST, and it’s business I’d usual. If I happen to be running pure FO, then OG Kylo would be next in line after FOO, and would feed everyone TM. Once FOST and KRU have their taunts up, would you really waste your dispel killing FOO instead of clearing a taunt or hitting FOTP? My point is it doesn’t matter who Zolo attacks first on my team, they are all capable of working as a team of 3 or 4. First Order is still a joke on defense, but if you have them geared and modded correctly, they are capable of beating any team on offense. If you don’t care about having a pure team, get Thrawn in the mix (he’s great with FOO, or replacing him) and they are a top tier team. "Tyrael1701;c-1397492" wrote:I found at G12 he just gets stunned and dies so fast. Against meta, thrawn always fractures him, then cls does his second ability and he dies. I also found Biggs alone can solo him and shut him down. I had multiple matches where these 2 went back and forth until kru was dead and Biggs full health. Kru had 100% counter with taunt, Biggs gains 100% tm after surviving a critical so shoots kru, who counters, Biggs survives a critical and gains 100% tm. Had it happen 4 sepadate times and Biggs just shut him down, so I started avoiding those teams if possible. His basic did no damage to biggs.I find this very strange, as my 4 Star, G11 KRU hasn’t had any trouble with this kind of thing. Sure, he’ll get fractured, but he still heals and definitely has enough hp to win a battle with Biggs. I love it when Biggs picks a fight with KRU or especially FOST, since he will just heal them and kill himself. Naturally, this is assuming you’ve taken out wedge and he’s not calling Zolo on the assists on something. If you link your swgoh.gg profile we may be able to help you figure out the problem, but first thing o would do is make sure he is modded for protection and health first, then offense, crit etc. He doesn’t need potency and in my opinion he doesn’t really need speed with all the TM from FOST and OG Kylo, plus you can always choose him with FOO and/or Thrawn if necessary. Frankly, I consider anything past the pretaunt and his stun to be a bonus, but I guarantee he will do more damage staying alive and countering hard, then going 30 speed faster.

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NicWester
8 years ago
"Naw;c-1394199" wrote:
You got it right. For some reason devs decided Kylo Ren is/are not a heavy hitter, but rather a (useless) tank.

He has a nearly permanent taunt from his basic and first special, heals when he takes damage, and while taunting has a 100% counterattack. What, exactly, do you consider a useful tank?
anavelg_o48shga
8 years ago
I'm surprised there remains much doubt about KRUM's power. Top gear/mod FOST and kylo ren under zeta lead KRUM are godly. FOST has nearly 110k protection/hp and gets 6k back per status effect. Kylo becomes a self-healing wall when stun/fractured/deathmarked with his auto defense buff both from auto-dot and if you try to burn him down... to the point he will gain way more back than you can deal him.
Casca_16
8 years ago
I’m in a pretty old whale shard there’s a guy from China that runs First Order only one in the top 50 he falls to around 25-30 but climbs his way to the top around 4am my time. There’s also bound to be another FO toon or two yet hopefully a Foo replacement with Hux
skynut3000
New Spectator
8 years ago
If KRU's stun were undispellable, he'd be a great toon. As it is, his leader is great, and he's just-okay otherwise. Alas.
lamatoe
8 years ago
As the team currently stands they are not that strong. Have nearly all gear 12 and good mods. Even with 2 FO tanks the protection regain is trivial vs the damage output from opposing teams.
I'm suprised this isn't talked about more... crit immunity. Without GK's crit immunity toons get dropped too quickly. It's too clutch and basically necessary in today's heavy hitter arena.
Tried my Kru lead FO against new Rey meta team in top arena and frankly it's impossible to win. They desperately need new powerful and tanky members .. and probably someone who either provides crit immunity or some sort of decent passive damage reduction.
..and yes Kru's one major asset, the 2 turn stun, should be undispellable. Even this would only be a meager improvement in the current L'S dominate arena.
NicWester
8 years ago
"skywhopper;c-1394953" wrote:
If KRU's stun were undispellable, he'd be a great toon. As it is, his leader is great, and he's just-okay otherwise. Alas.

What’s a character have to do to be better than just-okay in your book?
Campera0269
8 years ago
"NicWester;c-1395028" wrote:
"skywhopper;c-1394953" wrote:
If KRU's stun were undispellable, he'd be a great toon. As it is, his leader is great, and he's just-okay otherwise. Alas.

What’s a character have to do to be better than just-okay in your book?

Don't know about his list of great toons, but CLS, GK and Thrawn sure are there somewhere
They're versatile, can do lots of damage (even GK, with the whole squad assist), have very good leader and overall abilities and can manage buffs and debuffs very well
Campera0269
8 years ago
An undispellable stun would be awesome, and is not unrealistic, since Thrawn's fracture works in a similar manner (it's almost a 2 turns stun, cause of the speed down). So even if Thrawn (who's a very nice character and all, but not one of the main characters of a movie franchise) has an awesome ability, why can't Kylo?
NicWester
8 years ago
"Winterbio;c-1395057" wrote:
An undispellable stun would be awesome, and is not unrealistic, since Thrawn's fracture works in a similar manner (it's almost a 2 turns stun, cause of the speed down). So even if Thrawn (who's a very nice character and all, but not one of the main characters of a movie franchise) has an awesome ability, why can't Kylo?

Because his leader ability and unique ability and being one of the best tanks is an awesome ability.
Campera0269
8 years ago
"NicWester;c-1395061" wrote:
"Winterbio;c-1395057" wrote:
An undispellable stun would be awesome, and is not unrealistic, since Thrawn's fracture works in a similar manner (it's almost a 2 turns stun, cause of the speed down). So even if Thrawn (who's a very nice character and all, but not one of the main characters of a movie franchise) has an awesome ability, why can't Kylo?

Because his leader ability and unique ability and being one of the best tanks is an awesome ability.

He may be, but his basic is lackluster and his stun could get better! Just look at Thrawn's kit: awesome leader, good unique, nice basic (can stun and give ability lock), awesome unique mechanics on his special (fracture and the swap/clear/recover protection ability).
What I'm saying is, Kylo could be more (as he is, he needs better allies, but he could be a toon usable in more squads, not only as a good leader)