Does Taunt ruin Fives' zeta?

5’s and echo both have a unique directly associated to 5’s taunt! Not very clever, don’t be stingy!

the only thing is echo deals 100% more damage while fives is taunting

"MasterSeedy;d-215050" wrote:
Language on Fives' zeta:

When another 501st Clone Trooper ally would be defeated while Fives is active, they recover 100% health and Fives is defeated instead.

If Fives is defeated this way, 501st Clone Trooper allies gain his Max Health, Max Protection, Speed, and Offense stats in addition to their own until the end of battle

So this makes it seem like if you kill fives directly, not some other 501st toon, then Fives does NOT provide any bonus to other 501st Clone Trooper allies.

Is it possible to avoid triggering Fives' zeta by killing Fives first? If so, why would you ever want Fives to taunt? That would absolutely be the wrong move. For that reason, I have not put the omega on Fives' "Cover Fire" ability.

If the language is wrong, and Fives passes his Health, Prot, Speed & Offense to Echo & Rex even if he is killed directly, then I do want to add that Omega. Also if the language is wrong, that text needs to be corrected in game.

It seems to me that the phrase "this way" (i.e. "If fives is defeated this way...") is a major nerf. But it's such a bad thing to do to a toon that taunts, I'm skeptical that it is actually nerfed like this. The problem is, it's hard to test. So... does anyone know how this zeta works? I mean know FOR SURE, not just what the text says.

It seems to me that EA/CG should refund the omegas for Cover Fire if this is what's happening (and think about reworking that omega, since no one should ever take it if they plan on giving Fives his zeta), and change the zeta text if it's not.

"Kristantei;c-1973354" wrote:

This is part of the reason why I think Jedi Knight Anakin will be getting a 501st tag - and possible new 501st unique. I also noticed there is no consequence to targeting Fives first. The Geos are harder to take down than Fives.

If modded correctly, Fives is pretty defense heavy. He shouldn’t go down easily. If JKA is present, a reduced health Fives would trigger Anakin’s Retribution bonus. That powerful AOE could really backfire on you. Include Ahsoka, and she could heal Fives back up some.

Also consider running a Padme lead with Anakin and the 501st Clones. All that protection could make Fives very hard to take down, and give Rex more time to pull off his Arial Assault.

"MasterSeedy;c-1973397" wrote:

If anything, the taunt is redundant because you want to kill fives first anyway.

This is my point. You DON'T WANT Fives to taunt. You want the other toons to go beast mode. Putting a taunt on Fives makes it easier to target Fives ... especially for the AI when you're playing clones on offense, but even on defense it can be useful NOT to taunt. After all, opponents can and do make tactical mistakes (I know I do sometimes).

Based on this info, I will never Omega Fives' Cover Fire. And his zeta is also much less useful on defense since people know how to get around it. Oh well.

"Treeburner;c-1973413" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-1973397" wrote:

If anything, the taunt is redundant because you want to kill fives first anyway.

This is my point. You DON'T WANT Fives to taunt. You want the other toons to go beast mode. Putting a taunt on Fives makes it easier to target Fives ... especially for the AI when you're playing clones on offense, but even on defense it can be useful NOT to taunt. After all, opponents can and do make tactical mistakes (I know I do sometimes).

Based on this info, I will never Omega Fives' Cover Fire. And his zeta is also much less useful on defense since people know how to get around it. Oh well.

If you want to loose fives on turn one then yes , bit as somebody running shaak ti and clones in arena you need a couple of turns before the sacrifice comes,

With a shaak ti lead it's a combined total of 205,000 health and protection . You want the enemy to waste time hitting a toon that will sacrifice himself anyway. With big counter attacks and massive damage AOE that toons have now days it's hard for the AI not to trigger tactical awareness zeta even when he has taunt up

"No_Try;c-1973416" wrote:

"Treeburner;c-1973413" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-1973397" wrote:

If anything, the taunt is redundant because you want to kill fives first anyway.

This is my point. You DON'T WANT Fives to taunt. You want the other toons to go beast mode. Putting a taunt on Fives makes it easier to target Fives ... especially for the AI when you're playing clones on offense, but even on defense it can be useful NOT to taunt. After all, opponents can and do make tactical mistakes (I know I do sometimes).

Based on this info, I will never Omega Fives' Cover Fire. And his zeta is also much less useful on defense since people know how to get around it. Oh well.

If you want to loose fives on turn one then yes , bit as somebody running shaak ti and clones in arena you need a couple of turns before the sacrifice comes,

With a shaak ti lead it's a combined total of 205,000 health and protection . You want the enemy to waste time hitting a toon that will sacrifice himself anyway. With big counter attacks and massive damage AOE that toons have now days it's hard for the AI not to trigger tactical awareness zeta even when he has taunt up

On a side note which lead is preferable a gac defense slot and very good mods?

"MasterSeedy;c-1973708" wrote:

What's your strategy for beating Shaak Ti with CLS? Are there any mod strategies or toons you can put in that 5th slot that make it harder for CLS? I've been winning a lot with Shaak Ti on defense, and that was with 5* and g9/g10 during the last GAC (she's 81/100 and g11 now). But I also hide her in the back row behind Darth Revan. So maybe folks don't have CLS when they get to her?