Droid speed and turn meter with JE

Let's say that I filled up the TM of all my droids and they have attacked scoring a critical hit (so when stormtrooper Han goes the droids will have at least 50% of their TM full) now it's stormtrooper Han's turn, he will taunt and give 30℅ of TM to the team. My question is: how fast the droids and stormtrooper Han need to be to when he taunts the droids are with their TM bar full again?

My JE has 253 speed (with his unique), the droids have 140 and stormtrooper Han has 160

@CptCaveman @Romec245

"RenanFilipe;599826" wrote:
Let's say that I filled up the TM of all my droids and they have attacked scoring a critical hit (so when stormtrooper Han goes the droids will have at least 50% of their TM full) now it's stormtrooper Han's turn, he will taunt and give 30℅ of TM to the team. My question is: how fast the droids and stormtrooper Han need to be to when he taunts the droids are with their TM bar full again?

My JE has 253 speed (with his unique), the droids have 140 and stormtrooper Han has 160

@CptCaveman @Romec245

Impossible. And anyway, once Han taunts, it's too late. Even if your droids fill again, they don't have AOE attacks reset, yet. They have single attacks and can only hit Han and give enemy TM. And Ben mind tricks is coming instantly or very soon.

The point of filling tm on all ur droids at same time is so if a fast han under ben lead evades your first attack, he doesn't automatically go next. He has to roll against all ur toons who are already filled.

So, e.g., your JE has speed of 253. That is ridiculously fast. BUT unless ur droids have 140 speed, they won't fill. So say ur fastest droid is indeed faster than 139. But only one droid. Say it is hk or 88, and u start with an aoe. If han dodges, now han gains 300 tm points. If han is modded with 177 speed, he will now fill. Your fast/first droid also filled with the aoe crits. So now one of these two toons will act next. Either way u are screwed, because hk/88 can't finish off rey with one basic. Han will taunt before your other two droids.

If rey dodges, similar problem. She will go before u can kill her and have a chance to proc foresight. Now u will die, unless u managed to stick a block or stun on han.

If ur droids all have at least, say, 134 speed. What u could do is lower je speed to 244. Now when je goes, all ur droids fill. And they are all still faster than most reys and hans. So now if rey or han dodges, they have to roll against all ur droids that have full tm in order to go next. You have a chance to finish rey or block han before han and/or rey get to act, still.

If the han you want to beat has only 160 speed, all you need is 229 first-round speed to be able to stay ahead of him, even if he gets one dodge. So you do not necessarily need to fill TM. If you can get all your droids to act in tick 437 or faster, you can let them not fill, thus allowing you to set their attack order. And even if Han gets one dodge, all your droids will still act before him. To do this, your slowest droid need just have 126 speed. The hans on my server have 180+ speed. Can't out race them on a dodge. If han dodges, he is on deck.

"LastJedi;600843" wrote:

"RenanFilipe;599826" wrote:
Let's say that I filled up the TM of all my droids and they have attacked scoring a critical hit (so when stormtrooper Han goes the droids will have at least 50% of their TM full) now it's stormtrooper Han's turn, he will taunt and give 30℅ of TM to the team. My question is: how fast the droids and stormtrooper Han need to be to when he taunts the droids are with their TM bar full again?

My JE has 253 speed (with his unique), the droids have 140 and stormtrooper Han has 160

@CptCaveman @Romec245

Impossible. And anyway, once Han taunts, it's too late. Even if your droids fill again, they don't have AOE attacks reset, yet. They have single attacks and can only hit Han and give enemy TM. And Ben mind tricks is coming instantly or very soon.

The point of filling tm on all ur droids at same time is so if a fast han under ben lead evades your first attack, he doesn't automatically go next. He has to roll against all ur toons who are already filled.

So, e.g., your JE has speed of 253. That is ridiculously fast. BUT unless ur droids have 140 speed, they won't fill. So say ur fastest droid is indeed faster than 139. But only one droid. Say it is hk or 88, and u start with an aoe. If han dodges, now han gains 300 tm points. If han is modded with 177 speed, he will now fill. Your fast/first droid also filled with the aoe crits. So now one of these two toons will act next. Either way u are screwed, because hk/88 can't finish off rey with one basic. Han will taunt before your other two droids.

If rey dodges, similar problem. She will go before u can kill her and have a chance to proc foresight. Now u will die, unless u managed to stick a block or stun on han.

If ur droids all have at least, say, 134 speed. What u could do is lower je speed to 244. Now when je goes, all ur droids fill. And they are all still faster than most reys and hans. So now if rey or han dodges, they have to roll against all ur droids that have full tm in order to go next. You have a chance to finish rey or block han before han and/or rey get to act, still.

If the han you want to beat has only 160 speed, all you need is 229 first-round speed to be able to stay ahead of him, even if he gets one dodge. So you do not necessarily need to fill TM. If you can get all your droids to act in tick 437 or faster, you can let them not fill, thus allowing you to set their attack order. And even if Han gets one dodge, all your droids will still act before him. To do this, your slowest droid need just have 126 speed. The hans on my server have 180+ speed. Can't out race them on a dodge. If han dodges, he is on deck.

I am sorry, I didn't explained the situation very well. The stormtrooper han with 160 speed is mine.
I run hk47, ig88, ig86, je and him

Oh. Ur JE is limiting factor for your droids by a hair. So all ur droids act at 253 speed, in tick 396.

Then after that they gain tm per their speed. Crit gives them 500, and han bomb gives 300. So they need 200 more tm to fill with han taunt. 200/1.40=143 more ticks. 143 plus 396 is 539. 1000/539 is 1.86. Ur droids would get their second Rd of attacks as early as effective speed 186, if hans taunt comes in time. Compared to 132/3 speed with no ST han tm boost.

Ur han would need 186 speed in order to get ur droids their second attack ASAP. Any faster on han won't speed them up (unless han gets hit). There Is 187 speed han on my shard.

I might have rounded wrong, so take with a tiny grain of salt. Plus or minus 1 speed.

"fudgra;603302" wrote:
I wish there was a way to order which droid goes first after recalibrate, but there isn't. If any droid has speed of 110 or more, it's a tossup of which one goes first since their turn meters are filled at the same time. You can only set which one goes last, which would be HK without speed mods

@CG_Kozispoon what do you think about letting speed determine which droid goes first after JE's recalibrate? It seems the fastest one should, but it doesn't work like that.

Make je faster, and ur droids can go in order. At top level arena, u do not want this to happen, though.

"LastJedi;603178" wrote:
Oh. Ur JE is limiting factor for your droids by a hair. So all ur droids act at 253 speed, in tick 396.

Then after that they gain tm per their speed. Crit gives them 500, and han bomb gives 300. So they need 200 more tm to fill with han taunt. 200/1.40=143 more ticks. 143 plus 396 is 539. 1000/539 is 1.86. Ur droids would get their second Rd of attacks as early as effective speed 186, if hans taunt comes in time. Compared to 132/3 speed with no ST han tm boost.

Ur han would need 186 speed in order to get ur droids their second attack ASAP. Any faster on han won't speed them up (unless han gets hit). There Is 187 speed han on my shard.

I might have rounded wrong, so take with a tiny grain of salt. Plus or minus 1 speed.

Thanks for the help, I will try to achieve that high speed on han and I would love to see what mods the han in your shard is using to get 187 speed.

"fudgra;603302" wrote:
I wish there was a way to order which droid goes first after recalibrate, but there isn't. If any droid has speed of 110 or more, it's a tossup of which one goes first since their turn meters are filled at the same time. You can only set which one goes last, which would be HK without speed mods

@CG_Kozispoon what do you think about letting speed determine which droid goes first after JE's recalibrate? It seems the fastest one should, but it doesn't work like that.

There is a way. Like the poster above me said, you just have to make JE fast enough that his recalibrate doesn't fill turn meter completely. This does open up a gap between turns that an enemy toon can slide into and end up going before your droids.

I run a 276 speed JE and set my turn order to go 86, HK, 88, Nebit. JE fills 86, but not the others. There are gaps that an enemy can slide into, but I'm not worried right now.

Go back to the first post and there is a great spreadsheet that will help you set your turn order. Was kinda the whole point of this thread.

Bump for one of the best posts ever. Thanks again OP.

Bump for guildie

Great information on this post thus far. I just had a few questions/clarifications.

I am currently on a shard (in the mid 70s) that are dominated by Rex/wiggs teams with either full clones or Lando/biggs/sth etc

Based on the information I have read thus far is it appropriate for me to just speed up all of my Droid and not worry too much about the order?

I have the ability to give them all 100% TM after the JE recal (who has 253 speed)
Would it make more sense to do this? Since I am finding that I don't often get a chance to hit them in order, let alone use my AOE because of the Rex lead/wiggs/biggs counters etc.