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kato77's avatar
kato77
New Spectator
7 years ago

Enemy capital ship always going first?

I’m slowly getting adjusted to ships 2.0 and actually enjoy it now. While admittingly not alway focusing on the best/smartest ships I have now a fleet that enjoy playing and do reasonably well with. However I notice that in every single fight the enemy capital ship gets their turns before mine and i don’t u derstand why. My Chimera is at 152 speed and Thrawn is fully maxed except for his zeta leader ability. Unless I’m always meeting fully maxed opponents in mirror matches I reckon I should get to go first in about 50/50 of the matches. Am I missing something or do others experience the same thing? Any advice on what I can do to improve Chimeras starting speed would be appreciated (apart from zeta Thrawns leader ability, I’m kind of broke on zetas).
https://swgoh.gg/u/stokat/ships/chimaera/
  • naraiceylob's avatar
    naraiceylob
    7 years ago
    Your speed is one below the maximum, that said id say most chimaera are.

    Executrix and home one are faster ships.

    If speed is tied its rng.

    Are you falling foul of any tm manipulation. For example tie fighter dodging.
  • kato77's avatar
    kato77
    New Spectator
    7 years ago
    In mirror matches it happens in 100% of the fights so I don’t think it is rng in this case. I don’t face many Akbar ships but against Executrix enemy goes first in the absolute majority of the fights but not always*. I’m in an old shard so I guess it is possible that my opponents are completely maxed and that that extra point of speed makes the difference. Tie fighter dodges can of course also play a part but i generally try to avoid attacking the tie fighter until i have destroyed the other ships. Still can be a factor in some of the cases for sure.
  • kato77's avatar
    kato77
    New Spectator
    7 years ago
    Just fought another mirror match, his Thrawn didn’t have any ability zeta’d and I never attacked his tie fighter, he still went first. I really don’t understand this.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    7 years ago
    Since your speed is 152 and they are 153, yes the other ship will always go first, without some sort of TM manipulation.

    If you fight a mirror where they are 152 also, then RNG will decide.
  • kato77's avatar
    kato77
    New Spectator
    7 years ago
    "Kyno;c-1578190" wrote:
    Since your speed is 152 and they are 153, yes the other ship will always go first, without some sort of TM manipulation.

    If you fight a mirror where they are 152 also, then RNG will decide.


    Yes I get that, but in this last fight his Thrawn didn’t have any of his abilities zetad so he shouldn’t have been faster than mine, I should have been faster than him. I haven’t looked at all the other Thrawns in every fight but it seems a bit unlikely that they all have been completely maxed or that rng would have made them go first in every single fight.
  • GhostTrucking's avatar
    GhostTrucking
    7 years ago
    It also makes a difference if you have all five dot mods on thrawN,

    You would be better off to post a link to you .gg if you want help that is relevant to your roster
  • emvedebe's avatar
    emvedebe
    7 years ago
    "Stokat;c-1578185" wrote:
    Just fought another mirror match, his Thrawn didn’t have any ability zeta’d and I never attacked his tie fighter, he still went first. I really don’t understand this.


    Just check the chimeara's speed instead of checking if thrawn has a zeta or not.
  • kato77's avatar
    kato77
    New Spectator
    7 years ago
    "GhostTruckin;c-1578242" wrote:
    It also makes a difference if you have all five dot mods on thrawN,

    You would be better off to post a link to you .gg if you want help that is relevant to your roster


    I did.
  • kato77's avatar
    kato77
    New Spectator
    7 years ago
    .Just check the chimeara's speed instead of checking if thrawn has a zeta or not.

    Fair enough will do that next time. But it amounts to the same thing doesn’t it? If you dont have everything maxed you don’t get max speed. If he didn’t have any zetas on Thrawn but the rest maxed he would get 151 in speed and I have 152, unless there is something else i have missed.
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    7 years ago
    "Stokat;c-1578197" wrote:
    "Kyno;c-1578190" wrote:
    Since your speed is 152 and they are 153, yes the other ship will always go first, without some sort of TM manipulation.

    If you fight a mirror where they are 152 also, then RNG will decide.


    Yes I get that, but in this last fight his Thrawn didn’t have any of his abilities zetad so he shouldn’t have been faster than mine, I should have been faster than him. I haven’t looked at all the other Thrawns in every fight but it seems a bit unlikely that they all have been completely maxed or that rng would have made them go first in every single fight.


    Should have been faster or the same speed?

    Define "every single fight", because 50/50 is not hard to get a coin to flip the same side up in a small sample size.

    I can say with 100% certainty, if no TM manipulation is involved. These 3 things are true:
    1) the faster ship will go first.
    2) the slower ship will go after the faster one
    3) RNG decides the the tie when the ships have the same speed

    I have gone 3 attacks where I went first the first move on the same person, but the opponent won the coin toss on the ultimate turn. I have had strings of never going first, i have had strings of always going first. It may happen in streaks, but in the end it's all 50/50.

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