Fives

"Ayestes;326772" wrote:
He's barely viable until he levels up his basic to 8. At which point he's probably the most dangerous character in the game once you start attacking him.

Since he wasn't there for the rest of the fight, once you start attacking him you should be at a significant advantage. He has to be dangerous as the last man standing or he's just garbage.

"Ayestes;326799" wrote:
All I'd want is his basic to be looked at for level 8 on how it double attacks even if the opponent didn't start with Speed Down before the first attack.

The extra attack behavior is consistent with the description (admittedly somewhat ambiguous). To change it would be a nerf, not a bug fix. It's really early to start nerfing level 8 abilities, before we've seen many of them in action, and while most people complaining are trying to take him out with toons a gear level behind him. Anyone who already has him with a level 8 ability almost certainly also has him at gear 9. All the people complaining seem to be running gear 8 toons.

"medetec;326777" wrote:

"Ayestes;326772" wrote:
He's barely viable until he levels up his basic to 8. At which point he's probably the most dangerous character in the game once you start attacking him.

Since he wasn't there for the rest of the fight, once you start attacking him you should be at a significant advantage. He has to be dangerous as the last man standing or he's just garbage.

This. The danger in running Fives is that your opponent (if smart) will focus their firepower on your other four toons first, making them die sooner. Having Fives on your team isn't all sunshine and daisies.

Now that this thread has thoroughly analyzed how to beat a Fives team, can we just stop with the calls to nerf him?

"Ayestes;326799" wrote:
You are at a significant advantage, yes. The OP is right though in that he can 1v5 you if you lack stuns or healing. Even if you just miss your stun at the wrong moment. He more than RG, Dooku, or anyone else at that point is the most likely character in the game to win you a defense. I mean generally he still won't, but that's because you will usually lose on defense regardless. All I'd want is his basic to be looked at for level 8 on how it double attacks even if the opponent didn't start with Speed Down before the first attack.

That's the part I would look at too. The wording is ambiguous so not sure if it's a bug, but if it's eventually decided that Fives is actually too strong, changing it to only apply to targets that already had speed down at the start of the turn is the way to go.

I think in general, the real reason with Fives, is similar to running RG, it just take TIME to beat him. That time can widdle away on the arena timer. It's not nearly as bad as it was right after the update, but I had to have my Yoda go 1v1 against Rg and had to hit auto to make up time before I ran out. BTW Yoda works very well now, as he should. Nerfs were not a factor. I watched him pick away at Rg while Yoda himself was at 30%. Beautiful victory.

Fives at 76+ is a pain. I find that I need 3 close to full health characters guarantee a win. I will say though that full health Savage + Lumi vs. Full health 5s is a win for Savage and Lumi 100% of the time. Savage gets one crit with is basic all of the sudden 5's is hitting for 1k. And Savage gains turn meter and offense up on attack so if things go well you can attack faster than 5s. At 76 Savage's basic hit for a decent amount (based on being 30% more than what he hits for at 75 level 7).

Who wins? Both at Level 76, 7* Gear VIII: Rey vs Fives?

5's needs to be fixed or they need to fix AI. Right now the AI have an increased dodge,potency and tenacity to help with their horrible targeting. Now that we have got this far into the game they need to work everyone's AI's and take out the bonus they receive. Or, fix the counter attack characters.

"K1ngYoda;328501" wrote:
why do some posters get so bent out of shape when anyone posts something that seems a bit off in relation to a character.

Fives is countering over 95% of the time.....that is not what the design of the character is supposed to do.

Dooku's leader ability is broken.

These are truth....and remedying those things is not a "nerf" it is a return to what it should be.

I agree fully.

Off topic, love protection and not dying before I get an action. However with all this Dooku and Fives countering combined with protection I am running out of time in the arena if I don't auto play it 1/4th the time. Speed up the video of their counter attack or something. Watching the counter as Dooku has to attack both QGJ and who ever assisted each twice is rediculous.

Oh no they gave a tank too much health lol. Nobody was complaining about 5s before guess to many viable tanks makes people mad.