Do you think the farming recommendations for new players has “evolved”?Obviously the core elements like Phoenix, Empire, Characters For Legendary unlocks remains critical and essentially the sameBut....1) Credit Heists - Why Farm Lando (pillar 1) anymore - surely it’s better to focus on BHs (and STH!) including Zam and/or Dengar from the Guild Events Store. 2) Jedi - Bastila should be farmed early as even at 3/4* she makes a bad faction good. Arguable Aayla should be considered a new sideproject. Old Ben is now even more useful than in the past.3) Rogue One - whilst I get Chaze being part of the 4 pillars, they are a hard farm & I don’t think that critical. I went with Bistan and SRP - it gives me another solid Rebel ship with Target Lock and has helped keep me near the top of my Fleet Arena. PLUS, you still have 5 Rogue One characters with these substitutes.4) Tarkin before AA....Unlocking the zeta mat challenge as early as possible gives a big headstart in my opinion. I have both characters and use AA for my fleet but lost a lot of potential zeta mats by delaying on getting Tarkin leveled up.5) Darkside ships - should the Geos (even though only useful in Fleet) be prioritised earlier now they are so solid? Plus they are one of the easiest Farms (Sun Fac himself excluded).What do you all think?

@Shadowscream you are right on the money. A lot has changed in the swgoh landscape this year, so the pillars do need some tweaking. Warrior probably won’t bother with an update until early 2019, though. Your post here will be good for new players to consider, as they begin to follow that guidance.

I wouldn't prioritise Geos, since they're not THAT much better and they're useless outside of fleet unlike Biggs/Vader/TFP/KRU/Boba/etc.

"Trystan_Spyder;c-1649528" wrote:I wouldn't prioritise Geos, since they're not THAT much better and they're useless outside of fleet unlike Biggs/Vader/TFP/KRU/Boba/etc.Fair point - logicallyTFP, Vader, FOTP, Boba and KRU would be on my list if I started again.You need Empire, FO and BHs.Plus they can be augmented by the other FO and BH ships in due course.However it’s worth considering this - assuming using normal daily currency and a 25% drop rate....Geo Soldier = 22 days to 7*, his ship = 20 days to 6*Geo Spy = 25 days to 7*, his ship = 22 days to 6*Sunfac =27 days to 5*, his ship = 28 days to 6*So they are amongst the quickest to farm ( Sunfac less so)

"Shadowscream;c-1649535" wrote:"Trystan_Spyder;c-1649528" wrote:I wouldn't prioritise Geos, since they're not THAT much better and they're useless outside of fleet unlike Biggs/Vader/TFP/KRU/Boba/etc.Fair point - logicallyTFP, Vader, FOTP, Boba and KRU would be on my list if I started again.You need Empire, FO and BHs.Plus they can be augmented by the other FO and BH ships in due course.However it’s worth considering this - assuming using normal daily currency and a 25% drop rate....Geo Soldier = 22 days to 7*, his ship = 20 days to 6*Geo Spy = 25 days to 7*, his ship = 22 days to 6*Sunfac =27 days to 5*, his ship = 28 days to 6*So they are amongst the quickest to farm ( Sunfac less so)It's not 7 starring the ship that takes forever. It's the gear crunch. I still run vader, tfp, biggs, and fett in arena because most of them are g11 or g12. I geared them because they were useful in multiple areas. I still don't have geos geared. It just isn't a priority. The team I have can take 1st in fleet arena and beat any pve content so Geos aren't a must. Also with ht and cad's ship, it like they have a hard counter now anyway. And tfp can handle ht much better than geos. I do sub in kru when facing geos to get a stun because that makes it easier but gearing kru up is more useful than gearing geos. Just my opinion though. So I wouldn't recommend making them a pillar.

"Shadowscream;d-182618" wrote:Do you think the farming recommendations for new players has “evolved”?Obviously the core elements like Phoenix, Empire, Characters For Legendary unlocks remains critical and essentially the sameBut....1) Credit Heists - Why Farm Lando (pillar 1) anymore - surely it’s better to focus on BHs (and STH!) including Zam and/or Dengar from the Guild Events Store. I certainly argue bounty hunters or smugglers rather than lando for credit heist

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Valerian1973
7 years ago
@Shadowscream you are right on the money. A lot has changed in the swgoh landscape this year, so the pillars do need some tweaking. Warrior probably won’t bother with an update until early 2019, though.

Your post here will be good for new players to consider, as they begin to follow that guidance.
trystanspyder
7 years ago
I wouldn't prioritise Geos, since they're not THAT much better and they're useless outside of fleet unlike Biggs/Vader/TFP/KRU/Boba/etc.
Shadowscream77
New Spectator
7 years ago
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1649528" wrote:
I wouldn't prioritise Geos, since they're not THAT much better and they're useless outside of fleet unlike Biggs/Vader/TFP/KRU/Boba/etc.

Fair point - logically
TFP, Vader, FOTP, Boba and KRU would be on my list if I started again.
You need Empire, FO and BHs.
Plus they can be augmented by the other FO and BH ships in due course.

However it’s worth considering this - assuming using normal daily currency and a 25% drop rate....
Geo Soldier = 22 days to 7*, his ship = 20 days to 6*
Geo Spy = 25 days to 7*, his ship = 22 days to 6*
Sunfac =27 days to 5*, his ship = 28 days to 6*

So they are amongst the quickest to farm ( Sunfac less so)
DarkHelmet1138
7 years ago
"Shadowscream;c-1649535" wrote:
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1649528" wrote:
I wouldn't prioritise Geos, since they're not THAT much better and they're useless outside of fleet unlike Biggs/Vader/TFP/KRU/Boba/etc.

Fair point - logically
TFP, Vader, FOTP, Boba and KRU would be on my list if I started again.
You need Empire, FO and BHs.
Plus they can be augmented by the other FO and BH ships in due course.

However it’s worth considering this - assuming using normal daily currency and a 25% drop rate....
Geo Soldier = 22 days to 7*, his ship = 20 days to 6*
Geo Spy = 25 days to 7*, his ship = 22 days to 6*
Sunfac =27 days to 5*, his ship = 28 days to 6*

So they are amongst the quickest to farm ( Sunfac less so)

It's not 7 starring the ship that takes forever. It's the gear crunch. I still run vader, tfp, biggs, and fett in arena because most of them are g11 or g12. I geared them because they were useful in multiple areas.

I still don't have geos geared. It just isn't a priority. The team I have can take 1st in fleet arena and beat any pve content so Geos aren't a must.

Also with ht and cad's ship, it like they have a hard counter now anyway. And tfp can handle ht much better than geos.

I do sub in kru when facing geos to get a stun because that makes it easier but gearing kru up is more useful than gearing geos.

Just my opinion though. So I wouldn't recommend making them a pillar.
naraiceylob
7 years ago
"Shadowscream;d-182618" wrote:
Do you think the farming recommendations for new players has “evolved”?
Obviously the core elements like Phoenix, Empire, Characters For Legendary unlocks remains critical and essentially the same

But....
1) Credit Heists - Why Farm Lando (pillar 1) anymore - surely it’s better to focus on BHs (and STH!) including Zam and/or Dengar from the Guild Events Store.

I certainly argue bounty hunters or smugglers rather than lando for credit heist
thedrjojo
Seasoned Newcomer
7 years ago
I agree with most of all you guys have said.

I did first order as pillar 3 myself (I only loosely followed the pillars as I started Phoenix when I was in level 60's).

I think a 5th pillar should be night sisters for the str as well, or to have them as side projects earlier.

I think vital 'long farms' should be an earlier side project... I can think of like 4-5 must have characters (I'm farming sion, nihilus every day, then am struggling to decide between mt, bossk, bastila, and have totally neglected shore and Baze at this point... And I'm wasting energy on Finn cause he's 68/100 but I'm using cantina to get my vets up before jtr lands again) on a single hard node, and with the 8 a day, that basically eats all the energy + 3 refills.

I am sad Lando isn't really all that useful any more, he was one of my first 7* characters (Biggs, Boba, then Lando, akbar)... But I agree bh could be pillar 2 or just more important side projects in pillar 1
Waquira
7 years ago
I fully agree on points 1 and 4.

Regarding 2 and 3:
I believe, there are more important characters to farm in cantina. Characters needed to unlock legendary/heroic characters. Characters, that I wouldn't delay too much to farm Aayla and SRP. But that's a general dilemma in cantina nodes. There are so many characters to prioritize in a farming order.

Regarding 5:
I believe GS could be farmed early on instead of Lando, but farming both would again delay the farning of some other important characters.
YKMisfit
Seasoned Novice
7 years ago
The pillars could definitely do with an update. That was true when KRU became farmable and it's even more true now.

Bounty Hunters have become far more valuable than ever before. When the pillars first came out, they were really only needed to complete the scoundrels team for Credit/Droid Heists.

Now, they still give you that utility, but they also have an Assault Battle (ABs shouldn't be an early game goal, but it's nice to be able to participate when you can), they have their own special event (Galactic Bounties) and TB special mission. But most importantly, they also lead to a Legendary character. This is something that I think should've put FO ahead of Resistance in the original pillars guide as well. Especially since the legendary they lead to could not only help form your Resistance team, but be one of the best parts of it.
DaPowerfulJedi
New Spectator
7 years ago
"YKMisfit;c-1652035" wrote:
The pillars could definitely do with an update. That was true when KRU became farmable and it's even more true now.

Bounty Hunters have become far more valuable than ever before. When the pillars first came out, they were really only needed to complete the scoundrels team for Credit/Droid Heists.

Now, they still give you that utility, but they also have an Assault Battle (ABs shouldn't be an early game goal, but it's nice to be able to participate when you can), they have their own special event (Galactic Bounties) and TB special mission. But most importantly, they also lead to a Legendary character. This is something that I think should've put FO ahead of Resistance in the original pillars guide as well. Especially since the legendary they lead to could not only help form your Resistance team, but be one of the best parts of it.

Don’t forget that they’re also great in the Sith Raid!
YKMisfit
Seasoned Novice
7 years ago
"DaPowerfulJedi;c-1652099" wrote:
"YKMisfit;c-1652035" wrote:
The pillars could definitely do with an update. That was true when KRU became farmable and it's even more true now.

Bounty Hunters have become far more valuable than ever before. When the pillars first came out, they were really only needed to complete the scoundrels team for Credit/Droid Heists.

Now, they still give you that utility, but they also have an Assault Battle (ABs shouldn't be an early game goal, but it's nice to be able to participate when you can), they have their own special event (Galactic Bounties) and TB special mission. But most importantly, they also lead to a Legendary character. This is something that I think should've put FO ahead of Resistance in the original pillars guide as well. Especially since the legendary they lead to could not only help form your Resistance team, but be one of the best parts of it.

Don’t forget that they’re also great in the Sith Raid!

That's true, but if this is a beginners guide, I don't know if sith raid viability should be the focus. I do agree that it's a nice added benefit though.