So, just thinking out loud here.... Who in the world would be reviving 5's?You wouldn't slot Visas, Old Daka, Jyn, Hoth Han in this group. So who in the heck is reviving anyone in a clone group?They already have a "clone medic" whom Kix was, and was a member of the 501st. Change the skin, tweek the talent. Kix?

It's fair to askOf course it's fair to ask. Unfortunately the answer is, "We don't know."

"evoluza;c-1964445" wrote:"taquillasun;c-1964411" wrote:The first time Old ben is defeated....all allies gain offense up etc... they could have coded this just the same. It's fair to ask, Why not simply do this?It's silly to ask. Fives brings the ultimate sacrifice to safe his buddies. There is no coming back. Giving a few buffs that can be dispelled and giving 170k worth of h/p 4-5k offence and 250speed are not the same. Having him revive and still having Rex and echo with Superman boost is just ridiculously OP

"taquillasun;c-1964620" wrote:"RandomSithLord;c-1964618" wrote:"taquillasun;c-1964604" wrote:"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic. This argument is based on the premise that every time 5's dies they would keep getting his bonus. As I stated before, they already have Old Ben Kenobi and it clearly states "THE FIRST TIME" he dies.5's does not revive himself like Zombi. And Zombie doesn't give any bonuses when zombie dies. You need the character in that receives bonuses for death or % health lower = bonus turn etc.. This is a bad analogy in my opinion as they share very little of the same mechanics.Quite frankly, it's like I said, I will NOT be surprised if Kix isn't introduced as a part of the 501st. I also will not be shocked if he is.It could still be abused. If Fives's unique is triggered, you get a supercharged Rex and Echo and if you could revive Fives (whether by Visas, a new clone or anyone else) you'd even get your durable tank back without any drawbacks.It does not exclude the addition of a new clone (let it be Kix), but it doesn't hint it either. That failsafe needed to be added for current in-game mechanics anyway.If they could be abused then why hasn't anyone found a way to abuse Old ben yet?I will post it again as you clearly don't read everything properly."Giving a few buffs that can be dispelled and giving 170k worth of h/p 4-5k offence and 250speed are not the same. Having him revive and still having Rex and echo with Superman boost is just ridiculously OP"Even if jolee revived old Ben 100 times and he gave those buffs each time he dies , it still couldn't hold a flame to what 5s gives when he dies you can't dispell what fives donates to his 501st clones. having speed up(25%) for 2 turns and having an extra 250 speed for the rest of the encounter are so far apart. Now compare the rest of OB buffs to 5s max health protection and offence.

"taquillasun;c-1964659" wrote:"Treeburner;c-1964640" wrote:"taquillasun;c-1964620" wrote:"RandomSithLord;c-1964618" wrote:"taquillasun;c-1964604" wrote:"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic. This argument is based on the premise that every time 5's dies they would keep getting his bonus. As I stated before, they already have Old Ben Kenobi and it clearly states "THE FIRST TIME" he dies.5's does not revive himself like Zombi. And Zombie doesn't give any bonuses when zombie dies. You need the character in that receives bonuses for death or % health lower = bonus turn etc.. This is a bad analogy in my opinion as they share very little of the same mechanics.Quite frankly, it's like I said, I will NOT be surprised if Kix isn't introduced as a part of the 501st. I also will not be shocked if he is.It could still be abused. If Fives's unique is triggered, you get a supercharged Rex and Echo and if you could revive Fives (whether by Visas, a new clone or anyone else) you'd even get your durable tank back without any drawbacks.It does not exclude the addition of a new clone (let it be Kix), but it doesn't hint it either. That failsafe needed to be added for current in-game mechanics anyway.If they could be abused then why hasn't anyone found a way to abuse Old ben yet?I will post it again as you clearly don't read everything properly."Giving a few buffs that can be dispelled and giving 170k worth of h/p 4-5k offence and 250speed are not the same. Having him revive and still having Rex and echo with Superman boost is just ridiculously OP"Even if jolee revived old Ben 100 times and he gave those buffs each time he dies , it still couldn't hold a flame to what 5s gives when he dies you can't dispell what fives donates to his 501st clones. having speed up(25%) for 2 turns and having an extra 250 speed for the rest of the encounter are so far apart. Now compare the rest of OB buffs to 5s max health protection and offence.Have you thought that perhaps I did read everything clearly but you stated everything poorly?Isn't that in the realm of possibility?Saying his stats aren't that great to exploit is a poor point. He's been around for a long time and those stats would have helped with a lot of content could they have been exploited. It's clear they have a safe guard in. If you are actually saying the stat gains are so much that it'd be unfair to have a tank like him come back. It's not valid as Old Ben had stats at periods in the game that would have rivaled if not exceeded the bonuses clones get.You are not right. Just to let you know. You really have no idea do you. Neither do I, hence the post. Your reason, I do not agree with. Your logic seems flawed in my opinion. I can share that with you WITHOUT insulting you. You seem to take my disagreement as an insult. Hey, it's just a game, just a theory. No one is assaulting you the person. And that should be fine. You don't agree with mine. Fine.You clearly do not understand the zeta if you think it compares to old Ben at all not a single person on this thread agrees with you ,every one is trying to explain why your logic is flawed and you still don't get it.WHEN OLD BEN DIES HE GIVES HIS TEAM BUFFS FOR A FEW TURNS THAT CAN BE DISPELLED. FIVES GIVES HUGE BUFFS FOR THE ENTIRE FIGHT THATS WHY THERE IS NO REVIVE . NOTHING TO DO WITH KIX.

Just for reference...when my G12 Fives is sacrificed he gives+ 36,000 HP+ 55,000 Protection+ 227 Speed+ 3200 dmg (I know it's offense, but I don't know how to find those stats)For all the other 501st, that's +150% Health, +140% Protection, +100% Speed, +80?% Offense. It's undispellable and unpreventable for at least 2 of them. It turns Rex from a fragile character to a 70,000 HP, 110,000 Protection beast. It's honestly almost like he makes his G12 team into G13 R6 characters. Old Ben's buffs were Never even close to this potent, and more importantly than anything else - it's been Very hard to force your opponent to kill Ben 1st. Very hard.Fives sacrifices himself and gives all these buffs super easily - just by you killing Anyone on his team. You don't even have to get him attacked to give out these insane buffs.Fundamentally better in every way.

Hey - what's this zeta on 5's all about? Kix inc?

26 Replies

NotRealUltra
Legend
6 years ago
If fives could be revived, people would use toons with revive ability to abuse his unique (say in raids or other PvE content)

Its to prevent theorycrafting teams with that include a reviving toon -- doesn't mean we are getting a clone trooper that revives per se
johnny2shoes99
6 years ago
"Ultra;c-1964406" wrote:
If fives could be revived, people would use toons with revive ability to abuse his unique (say in raids or other PvE content)

Its to prevent theorycrafting teams with that include a reviving toon -- doesn't mean we are getting a clone trooper that revives per se

But once it procs, wouldn't already the other clones not be at max stats from 5's the first time?

You're saying it would keep multiplying without it? Because they "the first time so and so dies" some where else in the game and this could have easily have been coded likewise right?

Old ben is who I am thinking of.
MasterSeedy
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
They could be contemplating a Clone Medic, but I think that this was just a necessary failsafe.

After all, YOU SAY you wouldn't put Ewok Elder or Old Daka or whomever in this group, but if 5s boosts the stats of other 501st allies by an amount equal to his own Max Health and Offense when he dies AND it stacked so if you die more than once you could multiply the bonuses, then people would put a reviver in the group on purpose, just to get 5s killed as many times as possible.

Because of the mechanic involved, I think the "no revive" aspect of his kit was necessary whether or not any Clone Medic might be coming along later. And if it was necessary regardless of whether or not a clone reviver is coming, then that means we can't use that language to predict that a new clone reviver is on the way.

Sorry, but we're simply stuck without any reasonable basis for a prediction at this point.
johnny2shoes99
6 years ago
The first time Old ben is defeated....all allies gain offense up etc... they could have coded this just the same.

It's fair to ask, Why not simply do this?
johnny2shoes99
6 years ago
"MasterSeedy;c-1964410" wrote:
They could be contemplating a Clone Medic, but I think that this was just a necessary failsafe.

After all, YOU SAY you wouldn't put Ewok Elder or Old Daka or whomever in this group, but if 5s boosts the stats of other 501st allies by an amount equal to his own Max Health and Offense when he dies AND it stacked so if you die more than once you could multiply the bonuses, then people would put a reviver in the group on purpose, just to get 5s killed as many times as possible.

Because of the mechanic involved, I think the "no revive" aspect of his kit was necessary whether or not any Clone Medic might be coming along later. And if it was necessary regardless of whether or not a clone reviver is coming, then that means we can't use that language to predict that a new clone reviver is on the way.

Sorry, but we're simply stuck without any reasonable basis for a prediction at this point.

Why was it necessary? Old been has a talent where it clearly states the First time he is defeated he give bonuses to all allies.

So why not simply word it and code it this way? It's essentially the same.
MasterSeedy
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
It's fair to ask

Of course it's fair to ask. Unfortunately the answer is, "We don't know."
johnny2shoes99
6 years ago
Fair enough. However, I'm not going to be upset if it isn't the case. I won't be shocked if it is. They clearly have the ground work in if they did want to do this.

Then again, the text is always subject to change. ANd it seems as of late, it often does. In order to guard spoilers etc.
treebunner
New Spectator
6 years ago
"evoluza;c-1964445" wrote:
"taquillasun;c-1964411" wrote:
The first time Old ben is defeated....all allies gain offense up etc... they could have coded this just the same.

It's fair to ask, Why not simply do this?

It's silly to ask. Fives brings the ultimate sacrifice to safe his buddies. There is no coming back.

Giving a few buffs that can be dispelled and giving 170k worth of h/p 4-5k offence and 250speed are not the same. Having him revive and still having Rex and echo with Superman boost is just ridiculously OP
ImTheChampion13
6 years ago
It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.
Nyanperor
6 years ago
"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1964588" wrote:
It also prevents a “paper clone”, similar to paper zombie that would be intentionally sacrificed several times. Rex lead, Fives, Echo, Daka and paper Cody would crush raids. Mod fives for all offense and speed, minimal health (to get his ability to trigger as many times as possible), and you’d quickly have teams with over 800 speed, 10K offense and rising, with echo to double tap every time someone uses a basic.

That wouldn't quite work, as it only triggers on 501st allies, which Cody isn't. It'd have to be a weak ashoka, rex, or echo.