How is Sith Assasin used?

remove vader and b2 put zeta savage and SA in

max gear sa and move all highest speed on her - your goal is 100+ speed on her on top of what she has

this squad can get you to 1

b2 is good occasionally but he doesen't have the stealth mechanic and will get downed in 4-6 hits, a mass daze will make him useless then nihilus cooldown reduction - will do the same for vader and b2, your only move is to go for sith squads with sa lower speed

on rex you need to daze first before you AOE anything about 1/3 chance to win

GK leader you need to nuke everything and make sure GK or baze isn't taunting when your anihilate comes off cd, so you can use it on their DN, about 50% chance for a whin once all maxed gear with decent mods

for anything else like droids rebels empire zeta savage will probably be left standing 1 v 3 and kill them all about 80-90% win chance

zeta savage is the base of your team and your first priority

Sa can do fine while you max her as long as she's fast

use swgoh site to organize mods and find your fastest for her, her speed increase can get you top 10 and ocasionaly 1st in pvp

try to find shardmates and strike a mutual assured deal not to atack eachother during payout

good luck and may the dark side be with you

"CerealKiller;c-1122963" wrote:
remove vader and b2 put zeta savage and SA in

max gear sa and move all highest speed on her - your goal is 100+ speed on her on top of what she has

this squad can get you to 1

b2 is good occasionally but he doesen't have the stealth mechanic and will get downed in 4-6 hits, a mass daze will make him useless then nihilus cooldown reduction - will do the same for vader and b2, your only move is to go for sith squads with sa lower speed

on rex you need to daze first before you AOE anything about 1/3 chance to win

GK leader you need to nuke everything and make sure GK or baze isn't taunting when your anihilate comes off cd, so you can use it on their DN, about 50% chance for a whin once all maxed gear with decent mods

for anything else like droids rebels empire zeta savage will probably be left standing 1 v 3 and kill them all about 80-90% win chance

zeta savage is the base of your team and your first priority

Sa can do fine while you max her as long as she's fast

use swgoh site to organize mods and find your fastest for her, her speed increase can get you top 10 and ocasionaly 1st in pvp

try to find shardmates and strike a mutual assured deal not to atack eachother during payout

good luck and may the dark side be with you

How can I make sure that Zaul will be the first to move with daze if I use her? In my current configuration I can be sure of that simply because he is the fastest at 198.
Or should I just wait until he dazes and then use the rest of aoes? The trouble is that if DN and EP move before him, Rex or Chirrut will be unblocked and will cleanse imediately the daze, especially since I made the mistake of zeta-ing DN.
Also I can make SA 251 at max now, but even at 220 she moves first against all opponents in my shard bare 1, and I don't really have trouble against him anyway.
Savage I have at g10, I will get a zeta soon (ish) but I will wait to see how Thawn is, and if I can unlock him.
For now I still finish top 5, sometimes the first, in my shard without SA. And I still can't see what she brings to the table for now, since my Zaul moves first in most if not all battles in this moment. Probably when the opponents Chirrut and Rex will become faster she will be needed more.

There is almost no way for you to manipulate Turn Order after you have Omega SA's TM push. With Zaul lead and SA's TM push, that's a 20+36=56% TM Push for all your other Sith. With your SA at max of 251 speed, you'd need to lower the rest to about 160 speed before you can determine Turn Order.

Frankly I would just leave your current configuration as it is, and you only need SA if there's a sudden influx of ZQGJ and super fast Yodas.

"Huatimus;c-1122991" wrote:
There is almost no way for you to manipulate Turn Order after you have Omega SA's TM push. With Zaul lead and SA's TM push, that's a 20+36=56% TM Push for all your other Sith. With your SA at max of 251 speed, you'd need to lower the rest to about 160 speed before you can determine Turn Order.

Frankly I would just leave your current configuration as it is, and you only need SA if there's a sudden influx of ZQGJ and super fast Yodas.

Ok thanks, that is what I imagined. Well maybe she will be useful if either the speed of my oponents will increase or I will make the switch to Zader. Or even under a Thrawn lead, just so I raise DN and maybe one of Vader/EP speed. Until then sadly I can't find a place for her.

Probably better for a Zader team as you only need to drop the other Sith to about 190 speed. Unfortunately I highly doubt that 251 speed is good enough to let you go first.

My shard is fairly new, December 16, and 20% tm from Zaul lead is enough for him to move first against almost all opponents, when he only has 198 speed. All the other sith I can speed up a lot more, for now I keep them low on speed so Zaul moves first. In the current situation 251 for SA under Zaul I think would be enough. In the future not so much, but I just 3 starred speed mods challenge, true only t2, so I hope to rectify the situation, after finishing with Ezra and Hera.

We're not so different then, I'm also early Dec 16 shard. In fact, my squad is almost same as yours. Except I've got Sith Trooper instead of B2. Running Zaul 215, EP 214, DN 213, DV 212, Sith Trooper. I find this turn order better as EP Let the hate flow will drain Chirrut of some health and trigger Baze Taunt. DN going right after can dispel the Taunt and let DV unleash Culling Blade on a prime target.

Sith Trooper is super tanky and can help out a lot during those long drawn out fights and usually dies to Opponent's Annihilate. He can also go into Stealth under Zaul lead and cannot be crit, denying opponent's R2 Zeta Cleanse Unique.

"Huatimus;c-1123031" wrote:
We're not so different then, I'm also early Dec 16 shard. In fact, my squad is almost same as yours. Except I've got Sith Trooper instead of B2. Running Zaul 215, EP 214, DN 213, DV 212, Sith Trooper. I find this turn order better as EP Let the hate flow will drain Chirrut of some health and trigger Baze Taunt. DN going right after can dispel the Taunt and let DV unleash Culling Blade on a prime target.

Sith Trooper is super tanky and can help out a lot during those long drawn out fights and usually dies to Opponent's Annihilate. He can also go into Stealth under Zaul lead and cannot be crit, denying opponent's R2 Zeta Cleanse Unique.

Plus 115 speed for Zaul is great for such an early shard, few, if any, have that much on my shard. I will try changing the order between EP and DN to see how it goes.
Sith Trooper I didn't develop at all, I preferred Savage since he is more useful in raids, according to my shardmates, and since I already had B2, Sun Fac, SThan and a 4* Shoretrooper I decided to not invest as much in another tank.

"SidiousIsPikachu;c-1123069" wrote:
im running Zaul, Zavage, Zylo, EP and SA.
SA goes first, gives EP, Maul and Savage time to hit before the other team moves.
you can use SA special when hes with 5 buffs (and one of them stealth) to hit an attacker, for example, and bring it to 50% HP. then your savage can overpower a toon with a 50% HP, 100% protection and foresight (great vs zQGJ teams). thats why hes must under Zaul and near savage. he gain too much and give too much from stealth throught the fights, and the ability to "2 shot" a toon in 2 rounds is just great.
thats why, if Zaul team wanna rank high, it gotta have SA and Zavage. dou of Zaul+SA is great TM gains, dou of Zaul+Zavage is amazing TM gains, heals and evasions, and the dou of SA+Zavage is that killer combo.
My SA goes always first, unless there is a faster SA in the opponent, under zaul ofc.
My SA's speed is 253, and the 20% TM gain, means he need to fill 80% TM. so instead of 253/100 (Speed/TM needed to gain), he need 253/80 - which is speed of 316. (means, that his rate of getting 100% TM on first turn is 316 speed) i hope this is understandable... and i dont think there's a toon that can get to 316 speed.

if i'd run Nihilus instead of Zylo i guess it'll work even better, but im too lazy and focusing on HAAT. but SA under Zaul in full sith team is a MUST if you aim for high arena.
Good luck.

I do not agree that SA is a MUST for high arena. I've been running without SA or Zavage for more than a month and place first daily, seldom going out of top 10.
https://swgoh.gg/u/huatimus/

SA will randomize the turn order of the rest of your Sith but being able to control the exact turn order of your moves makes life a lot easier. Hence my choice to have Zaul go first always.

Me vs Wiggs ChazeR2.
https://youtu.be/486Q6UdRHGQ

Me vs Rex Triple Clean.
https://youtu.be/1pRjN9FuURE

"Huatimus;c-1123141" wrote:

"SidiousIsPikachu;c-1123069" wrote:
im running Zaul, Zavage, Zylo, EP and SA.
SA goes first, gives EP, Maul and Savage time to hit before the other team moves.
you can use SA special when hes with 5 buffs (and one of them stealth) to hit an attacker, for example, and bring it to 50% HP. then your savage can overpower a toon with a 50% HP, 100% protection and foresight (great vs zQGJ teams). thats why hes must under Zaul and near savage. he gain too much and give too much from stealth throught the fights, and the ability to "2 shot" a toon in 2 rounds is just great.
thats why, if Zaul team wanna rank high, it gotta have SA and Zavage. dou of Zaul+SA is great TM gains, dou of Zaul+Zavage is amazing TM gains, heals and evasions, and the dou of SA+Zavage is that killer combo.
My SA goes always first, unless there is a faster SA in the opponent, under zaul ofc.
My SA's speed is 253, and the 20% TM gain, means he need to fill 80% TM. so instead of 253/100 (Speed/TM needed to gain), he need 253/80 - which is speed of 316. (means, that his rate of getting 100% TM on first turn is 316 speed) i hope this is understandable... and i dont think there's a toon that can get to 316 speed.

if i'd run Nihilus instead of Zylo i guess it'll work even better, but im too lazy and focusing on HAAT. but SA under Zaul in full sith team is a MUST if you aim for high arena.
Good luck.

I do not agree that SA is a MUST for high arena. I've been running without SA or Zavage for more than a month and place first daily, seldom going out of top 10.
https://swgoh.gg/u/huatimus/

SA will randomize the turn order of the rest of your Sith but being able to control the exact turn order of your moves makes life a lot easier. Hence my choice to have Zaul go first always.

Me vs Wiggs ChazeR2.
https://youtu.be/486Q6UdRHGQ

Me vs Rex Triple Clean.
https://youtu.be/1pRjN9FuURE

I think she can be great against Rex teams if the only sith with aoe used are Zaul and DN, so Zaul can apply his daze no matter when his turn comes, and also so this team doesn't suffer against ten up.
If you rely on debuffs I think that a fixed order is more important than the speed boost received from her.