I think GA matchmaking is fine

"cannonfodder_iv;c-2043237" wrote:

"Saada;c-2043117" wrote:
That's not proof of broken match making. 8 more g13 isn't broken neither is the relics. What's your g11 compared to his? I'm pretty sure you'll have a heap more and judging by the fact you put g12+13 together to make a point,

I have 16, he has 13.

"Saada;c-2043117" wrote:
I'd say you have more g12 also and you have more zetas, give and take..... advantages on both sides.

Yes, I have 11 more G12 - subtract the 8 more G13s that he already took from G12 and, voila - I have 3 more G12 characters. I'll gladly trade.

"Saada;c-2043117" wrote:
Your top 60 or whatever characters would have the same gp. You chose to farm differently and that's way it is.

He had 15k more at the time I executed the query - close enough - don't know about actual matchmaking rosters since that's opaque to us, but sure. Top 60 is close, not arguing that. Also not arguing farming choices. Not even complaining. I'm saying that some matches don't offer a reasonably equal chance to win for both parties.

"Saada;c-2043117" wrote:
Would you be here saying matchmaking is broken if the tables were turned?

I've stated in this thread that I've been the recipient of such matchmaking mismatches in the past. I've written volumes on matchmaking over the months. I've taken breaks from the game because of it (and other changes they didn't notify us about during the transition from GA to GAC) and ultimately returned because I love the game and the subject, but am less invested because I lack trust in the developer to value what I've already built.

"Saada;c-2043117" wrote:
I have 23 g13 with high relics which in turn gets me matched with people with 30+ g13, negotiator, malevolence, jtr, gas that I don't have. it's my fault for not getting jtr, not having droids to get gas, using GET currency on other things than ships and me focusing on relic 7ing my bh squads because I love my bh again is again my fault not match making.

Again, not complaining - just pointing out that some matches don't offer a reasonably equal chance to win for both parties and that's how I'm defining "broken."

"Saada;c-2043117" wrote:
I live with what I chose and now am trying to rectify problems in my roster as you should instead of saying they have better squads etc.

I couldn't agree with you more. Just saying that some matches don't offer a reasonably equal chance to win for both parties and that's how I'm defining "broken."

"Saada;c-2043117" wrote:
Nothing should be a mirror in Gac and if you are a little undermanned, try different strategies (try to hold the front sector of ships with three of your strongest squads and take ships out of the equation or do the opposite side and sacrifice your ships or set your falcon and maybe his rebel fleet might not be able to get through etc etc, plenty of things to try).

That's the only reason I am (was) in spitting distance of Kyber on this account. Take away half the board, try to get the better roster to make a bad decision, try to capitalize with underpowered offensive squads and kit mismatches, etc. etc. My hunch is that I get full cleared this go round, and will not be able to reciprocate, even excluding ships. I'm running an experiment this round.

The real issue is that GP isn't indicative of character effectiveness. Malak's G12 finisher is something like 600 GP, but he gets +8 speed, +5% health steal and +14k protection (converted to health in his case) for the equivalent of adding a L1 toon to your roster. Pretty good GP deal. Conversely, zetas afford close to 2k GP and vary wildly in whether or not they are worth it. (Younger accounts at similar GPs have a big advantage here). Higher Relic levels, especially on pilots come with massive GP hits. Worth it? I dunno. R1 thru R4 does seem to be a nice value between GP and effectiveness, but that's pretty arbitrary.

My point is that blind GP matching is going to have some wild variation in matchup quality and result in matches that don't offer a reasonably equal chance for both parties to win which is how I'm defining "broken." I don't see this to be proof positive that it's "working" because sometimes you're the hammer and other times the nail, but it all depends on how you define "working" I suppose.

Again, I'm not complaining. I've accepted matchmaking for what it is and recognize the inherent fallibility in it. GAC is generally fun. I can see how it's not fun for people that are constantly getting beaten with no chance to win. It's probably as good as it can get, which to me means "It's decent sometimes. Way off other times."

Yea, the following factor into my matchmaking but do not factor into my matches (because they’re not good enough to help me): g11 zSidious and g10 zQGJ.

The more people have of those poor quality characters the lower their chances to win. I just pull lesser toons into teams or use undersized squads to make up the difference. Someone I fought recently had a lot of g12 old school Jedi. I felt bad for the matchup because I knew it would be a blowout, but I didn’t feel bad collecting the points lol.