Those of you who are upset that Darth Revan is apparently bad on Defence; what gear level do you have him on?You're sending him into the Arena to fight g12 JKRevan squads (often 12+ squads) and your Darth Revan has what level of gear exactly?

Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr

"DarthRevan1023;c-1816111" wrote:"Devian;c-1816107" wrote:yes, he's bad on defense)he's bad not only outside of his faction but within sith empire faction as well. Whole faction is too raw basicallyIts not bad it feels like its missing 1 toon like jolee/gk for jkr a good support/tank that befits the group in some way It's bad coz you can't start the battle. And even if you survive(AI won't target SA or Bad Bassy), you can't hold on against strong revan teams.First: it's tenacity up at the start of the battle(Bad Bassy just waists her turn) Sith assassin won't give many TM at the start as well. Everyone will wait for Revan or Sion. Sith trooper is merely a paper if he's inflicted with ferocity. Neither SA gives TM to HK nor ST tauts if HK looses health. So yes, without their core mechanic working right from the start - it's bad, coz goblin will obliterate one of your characters without penalty (HK won't kill anyone from JKR group at the start) Plus, there are suspicions HK's zeta don't work correctly. Goblin gains TM. And characters don't deal additional dmg to DMed targets(I doubt 7k-11k dmg is real)Even without Jolee JKR teams hold strong against Traya

We have many who have him in my shard but not many with fully complete teams. The ones who have zetas and g12 already switched back to JKR while climbing. Pretty different day2 for DR than it was day2 for jkr.

So JKR have lots of speed. ok. what else do they have? lots of crit chance. if they have +35-40 speed from Revans lead they are also getting +35-40% crit chance from that same lead. That in addition to their base crit chance means they will be criting a lot. Now.....If you put a zeta Barris on the team you could hold very well vs JKR. JKR teams crit a lot and Bastilla Fallen gives herself and Revan +70% more max HP. swgoh.gg shows that Bastilla already has a max HP when all geared out of 40k. So lets do some math here...just including the unique ability and no mods:40k x 0.7 = 28k40k+28k = 68k hp. So on a crit under zeta Barris, Bastilla will heal for 13,600 hp. Yoda can hit hard but can jolee or GK or jedi Bastilla? The move that JKR uses to mark someone calls in everyone to assist and they do less damage....and crit at a pretty high rate. GK calls everyone to assist that has a buff and they all do less damage....and crit at a high rate. The only person on the JKR teams that can really put a dent despite the heals from zeta Barris would be Yoda and even then as long as you survive long enough for DR and BSF to take their turns and start throwing around their debuffs, you suddenly have a good defense. Now say someone decided to mod BSF for more maximum HP. Say 2 of the mods have a +16% health primary because of being 6e. 40k x (1.02) = 40,800so 40k + 40,800 = 80,800 max hp. that means you would heal for 16,160 hp on a crit. It's pretty easy to get BSF to be at 80k max health. She can and will survive the first onslaught of Revan and GK and Yoda with zeta Barris. zeta Barris becomes the primary target for the JKR teams then to take out because she's preventing them from demolishing the sith. She can take a beating also tho if you max her out with nothing but 3 health mod sets with 4 of the mods having +16% max health primaries. zBarris doesn't need speed....she gets tm when allies are critted which is what JKR teams do a lot of the time.So does that sound like it'd be easy to beat on defense? I don't think it is. Best lineup i think to use until Malak is:Darth RevanHKBastilla FallenSionzeta Barristurn order should have DR go 1st, Sion going 2nd, BSF going 3rd, HK going 4th and barris going 5th. Sion clears their buffs and makes it so BSF can land her CBM and her other debuffs and then the fun begins.....

"Jarvind;c-1816753" wrote:"Stenun;d-199369" wrote:Is Darth Revan really as bad on Defence as people are saying? Or is it something else?I suspect he will crush anything other than JKR, .LOLthat's really smth ppl have been waiting for, team to destroy everything except 90% JKR meta =D

Is Darth Revan really as bad on Defence as people are saying? Or is it something else?

41 Replies

bokini
7 years ago
Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr
Stenun
7 years ago
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816082" wrote:
Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr

Awesome! I knew he wasn't as bad as everyone is saying. :smile:
bokini
7 years ago
"Stenun;c-1816084" wrote:
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816082" wrote:
Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr

Awesome! I knew he wasn't as bad as everyone is saying. :smile:

A full sith empire does suck i have sion as the fastest followed by bsf and revan so aoe dispel to clear tenacity up then cbm/debuffs go up a little easier offense and makes it harder on defense.

But if malak comes out he needs a mass dispel like sion and bring something that is missing to make the team great
Stenun
7 years ago
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816087" wrote:
"Stenun;c-1816084" wrote:
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816082" wrote:
Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr

Awesome! I knew he wasn't as bad as everyone is saying. :smile:

A full sith empire does suck i have sion as the fastest followed by bsf and revan so aoe dispel to clear tenacity up then cbm/debuffs go up a little easier offense and makes it harder on defense.

But if malak comes out he needs a mass dispel like sion and bring something that is missing to make the team great

First in Arena less than 24h after his release already seems fairly great to me!
And generic characters like "Marauder" or "Assassin" are always going to be weaker than big name characters from other factions, so of course Sion is a good fit for now. There's a reason Thrawn gets put in non-Empire teams all the time.
And as you say, wait until there are more Sith Empire characters and he'll be even better. I imagine even Saul Karath would be better than the generics, let alone Darth Malak!
CptSupermarket3
7 years ago
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816087" wrote:
"Stenun;c-1816084" wrote:
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816082" wrote:
Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr

Awesome! I knew he wasn't as bad as everyone is saying. :smile:

A full sith empire does suck i have sion as the fastest followed by bsf and revan so aoe dispel to clear tenacity up then cbm/debuffs go up a little easier offense and makes it harder on defense.

But if malak comes out he needs a mass dispel like sion and bring something that is missing to make the team great

What are your speeds please?
BenHurxxx
7 years ago
I hold it for 10 h but not totally happy yet. Looks easy to counter and mirror looks like the fastest win > 0 strategy on that
BenHurxxx
7 years ago
BenHurxxx
7 years ago
The problem with including sion (or anything else) is that it makes it better vs JKR but got smashed by a full sith empire team
bokini
7 years ago
"Stenun;c-1816089" wrote:
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816087" wrote:
"Stenun;c-1816084" wrote:
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816082" wrote:
Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr

Awesome! I knew he wasn't as bad as everyone is saying. :smile:

A full sith empire does suck i have sion as the fastest followed by bsf and revan so aoe dispel to clear tenacity up then cbm/debuffs go up a little easier offense and makes it harder on defense.

But if malak comes out he needs a mass dispel like sion and bring something that is missing to make the team great

First in Arena less than 24h after his release already seems fairly great to me!
And generic characters like "Marauder" or "Assassin" are always going to be weaker than big name characters from other factions, so of course Sion is a good fit for now. There's a reason Thrawn gets put in non-Empire teams all the time.
And as you say, wait until there are more Sith Empire characters and he'll be even better. I imagine even Saul Karath would be better than the generics, let alone Darth Malak!

Mind u i coukd take 1st with jkr and was doing it with traya and emp so first is nothing new but did climb using him yesterday
bokini
7 years ago
"CptSupermarket;c-1816092" wrote:
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816087" wrote:
"Stenun;c-1816084" wrote:
"DarthRevan1023;c-1816082" wrote:
Thats what im using and 9 hrs after my po i only dropped from 1 to 3 so looks like its holding pretty well i know a few attacked me and lost and the 1 that beat me said it was about as hard to beat as jkr

Awesome! I knew he wasn't as bad as everyone is saying. :smile:

A full sith empire does suck i have sion as the fastest followed by bsf and revan so aoe dispel to clear tenacity up then cbm/debuffs go up a little easier offense and makes it harder on defense.

But if malak comes out he needs a mass dispel like sion and bring something that is missing to make the team great

What are your speeds please?

Those are my speeds atm still need to adjust a bit to make sion a little slower and dr 1 speed slower but will be doing that later