is ebb and flow zeta worth it??

I have ebb and flow on my thrawn and i love it. Love the extra counter chance and the tenacity helps so that whenever he does get hit he always counter attacks

Yes.

I've had it since he was first released and it's ok - not a game changer. I like his leader zeta better. E&F is a solid zeta and improves him, but there are definitely stronger zetas out there to use. I've seen no-zeta thrawns in arena function essentially the same as ones with a zeta.

Yes, so very very yes.

I think I had few times he didnt counter, also got stunned few times, but yes, it is good zeta for Thrawn. It is nothing that could be game changing but helpful. I call this zeta - remedy for mistakes of chars creators. Thrawn during Fracture is just fragile and opened to be completely broken (debuffed with any possible debuf) and can be half way to be dead. Really cant do much. So his unique zeta give some help to survive, do some more dmg, and not to loose turns. He should have this uniqe without zeta, zeta should give him some upgrade that could improve him much more. But most of the abilities are so bad in most of the toons that comparing him with this very poor chars just he can be peeceived like game hero. But in fact this game has really poor heroes. Maybe only CLS has some nice kit. Could be called hero. It is only poor mobile game with poor developers so what to expect.

"Gawejn;c-1377057" wrote:
I think I had few times he didnt counter, also got stunned few times, but yes, it is good zeta for Thrawn. It is nothing that could be game changing but helpful. I call this zeta - remedy for mistakes of chars creators. Thrawn during Fracture is just fragile and opened to be completely broken (debuffed with any possible debuf) and can be half way to be dead. Really cant do much. So his unique zeta give some help to survive, do some more dmg, and not to loose turns. He should have this uniqe without zeta, zeta should give him some upgrade that could improve him much more. But most of the abilities are so bad in most of the toons that comparing him with this very poor chars just he can be peeceived like game hero. But in fact this game has really poor heroes. Maybe only CLS has some nice kit. Could be called hero. It is only poor mobile game with poor developers so what to expect.

So you think Thrawn is fragile with a mediocre kit? Only CLS has a nice kit?

"DedrickRogue;c-1377064" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1377057" wrote:
I think I had few times he didnt counter, also got stunned few times, but yes, it is good zeta for Thrawn. It is nothing that could be game changing but helpful. I call this zeta - remedy for mistakes of chars creators. Thrawn during Fracture is just fragile and opened to be completely broken (debuffed with any possible debuf) and can be half way to be dead. Really cant do much. So his unique zeta give some help to survive, do some more dmg, and not to loose turns. He should have this uniqe without zeta, zeta should give him some upgrade that could improve him much more. But most of the abilities are so bad in most of the toons that comparing him with this very poor chars just he can be peeceived like game hero. But in fact this game has really poor heroes. Maybe only CLS has some nice kit. Could be called hero. It is only poor mobile game with poor developers so what to expect.

So you think Thrawn is fragile with a mediocre kit? Only CLS has a nice kit?

Yes, I play Empire with Thrawn in arena. His kit is not the kit of Hero but kit of toon that is trying to fulfill holes in kits of whole faction. Without Thrawn as a lead Empire is like BH. No cleanser. His zeta on unique is like fulfiling a hole during fracture. He can stand there doing nothing. And idea for a leader doing nothis is just stupid. Zeta is just for this, to make him doing someting while others are having second or third move. More to say, fracture is not something great and unique, most of the time fracture is used on tanks, but should be used to remove from fight attackers. Zolo can stun anyone, but Thrawn cannot fracture anyone. Leader of Empire is constrained more than normal toon from Rebels. What to say about it?
Empire lacks dispeller. DT is not enough and is really not so good, couse his dispell is on special but not on basic like example DN. But when You have poor kits than Thrawn could be seen as great kit by comparison. But in fact it is not. And if There wouldnt be Those toons in dark side to fullfill holes in factions this game would be only one side game.

"Gawejn;c-1377190" wrote:

"DedrickRogue;c-1377064" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1377057" wrote:
I think I had few times he didnt counter, also got stunned few times, but yes, it is good zeta for Thrawn. It is nothing that could be game changing but helpful. I call this zeta - remedy for mistakes of chars creators. Thrawn during Fracture is just fragile and opened to be completely broken (debuffed with any possible debuf) and can be half way to be dead. Really cant do much. So his unique zeta give some help to survive, do some more dmg, and not to loose turns. He should have this uniqe without zeta, zeta should give him some upgrade that could improve him much more. But most of the abilities are so bad in most of the toons that comparing him with this very poor chars just he can be peeceived like game hero. But in fact this game has really poor heroes. Maybe only CLS has some nice kit. Could be called hero. It is only poor mobile game with poor developers so what to expect.

So you think Thrawn is fragile with a mediocre kit? Only CLS has a nice kit?

Yes, I play Empire with Thrawn in arena. His kit is not the kit of Hero but kit of toon that is trying to fulfill holes in kits of whole faction. Without Thrawn as a lead Empire is like BH. No cleanser. His zeta on unique is like fulfiling a hole during fracture. He can stand there doing nothing. And idea for a leader doing nothis is just ****. Zeta is just for this, to make him doing someting while others are having second or third move. More to say, fracture is not something great and unique, most of the time fracture is used on tanks, but should be used to remove from fight attackers. Zolo can stun anyone, but Thrawn cannot fracture anyone. Leader of Empire is constrained more than normal toon from Rebels. What to say about it?
Empire lacks dispeller. DT is not enough and is really not so good, couse his dispell is on special but not on basic like example DN. But when You have poor kits than Thrawn could be seen as great kit by comparison. But in fact it is not. And if There wouldnt be Those toons in dark side to fullfill holes in factions this game would be only one side game.

This is gibberish. It's meandering and contradicts yourself a bunch. I'd put it as a ESL lost in translation thing, if it wasn't so wrong.

Empire got a dispeller. They got easily one of the best characters, and in addition the best single-target dispel in game, everyone under gets a decent dispel as well. You can't even compare with BH because Empire's bottom 5 would smoke any BH squad.

Not really sure where you were going with "Facture is not something great or unique" when it is literally an amazing unique debuff.

Death Trooper is flat out fantastic, especially in the current Rebel meta. Such a great kit.

So only dispel on basic is good? Any other dispel is garbage?

I think we fundamentally just want games. I want a slow power creep, where CLS is the anomaly for quite awhile as the high end of the spectrum; you seem to want 100 CLS or better.

it's worth it.

"DedrickRogue;c-1377379" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1377190" wrote:

"DedrickRogue;c-1377064" wrote:

"Gawejn;c-1377057" wrote:
I think I had few times he didnt counter, also got stunned few times, but yes, it is good zeta for Thrawn. It is nothing that could be game changing but helpful. I call this zeta - remedy for mistakes of chars creators. Thrawn during Fracture is just fragile and opened to be completely broken (debuffed with any possible debuf) and can be half way to be dead. Really cant do much. So his unique zeta give some help to survive, do some more dmg, and not to loose turns. He should have this uniqe without zeta, zeta should give him some upgrade that could improve him much more. But most of the abilities are so bad in most of the toons that comparing him with this very poor chars just he can be peeceived like game hero. But in fact this game has really poor heroes. Maybe only CLS has some nice kit. Could be called hero. It is only poor mobile game with poor developers so what to expect.

So you think Thrawn is fragile with a mediocre kit? Only CLS has a nice kit?

Yes, I play Empire with Thrawn in arena. His kit is not the kit of Hero but kit of toon that is trying to fulfill holes in kits of whole faction. Without Thrawn as a lead Empire is like BH. No cleanser. His zeta on unique is like fulfiling a hole during fracture. He can stand there doing nothing. And idea for a leader doing nothis is just ****. Zeta is just for this, to make him doing someting while others are having second or third move. More to say, fracture is not something great and unique, most of the time fracture is used on tanks, but should be used to remove from fight attackers. Zolo can stun anyone, but Thrawn cannot fracture anyone. Leader of Empire is constrained more than normal toon from Rebels. What to say about it?
Empire lacks dispeller. DT is not enough and is really not so good, couse his dispell is on special but not on basic like example DN. But when You have poor kits than Thrawn could be seen as great kit by comparison. But in fact it is not. And if There wouldnt be Those toons in dark side to fullfill holes in factions this game would be only one side game.

This is gibberish. It's meandering and contradicts yourself a bunch. I'd put it as a ESL lost in translation thing, if it wasn't so wrong.

Empire got a dispeller. They got easily one of the best characters, and in addition the best single-target dispel in game, everyone under gets a decent dispel as well. You can't even compare with BH because Empire's bottom 5 would smoke any BH squad.

Not really sure where you were going with "Facture is not something great or unique" when it is literally an amazing unique debuff.

Death Trooper is flat out fantastic, especially in the current Rebel meta. Such a great kit.

So only dispel on basic is good? Any other dispel is garbage?

I think we fundamentally just want games. I want a slow power creep, where CLS is the anomaly for quite awhile as the high end of the spectrum; you seem to want 100 CLS or better.

You just re play again the same tape like many players. Thrawn is one of the best characters in game. Bla bla bla. It is not true. I do play Empire for 4 months. I made more than 1k fights with Thrawn in Arena and houndreds in GW. Yes Empire can beat CLS meta teams on auto. No problem. But i doesnt mean that his kit is great. Cleanser for Empire? But to have it you need him as a leader. Compare this with Rex kit. Fracture? Last fight today in Arena i fractured Baze and whole fight Thrawn did nothing. No move. Twice countered. What a great skill:). Yes Baze didnt move all fight also couse I have full zeta Thrawn. But fight was without Thrawn really. When there is no zeta he gets stunn and no counters most of the time. So his zeta is to fulfill hole in his kit. so to finish this: if you play with very simple kit on most of the toons and there is always something missing and you are receiving Thrawn someone can think that it is great, but in fact it is not. It it like standard toon with kit that could be much better and should be reworked really couse is missing few things.