Exactly the title. JKL used to be able to duo with HODA against GAS + 501st. Now he struggles to beat them without JKR/OR Jedi. He requires the most legendary characters out of the three, relic characters & much more GET1 and yet he can’t beat neither without JKR/OR Jedi OR JML. Didn’t CG say characters with lower requirements aren’t intended to outdo those higher, hence the great nerfs that occured last year? Just today a JKL squad with HODA & KAM couldn’t even finish off damaged GAS & 501st in Ahnald’s stream.

"Arrebevol_990;d-253987" wrote:Didn’t CG say characters with lower requirements aren’t intended to outdo those higher,they said that but if u look at our good ol’ pal, Lord Failure, you’ll see that their intentions don’t generally match with the game itself.

GAS + 501st got a really strong buff in the Great Nerf. JKL, not so much.

1. and honestly the most important thing what CG said for tiers is a snapshot but not an exact layout. don't just reference it for any "this unit is beating that person" To be clear, this certainly does not hold universally true for all units but is a rough rubric we can use to discuss this topic in more detail. There are many exceptions to the rules (in the name of fun and interesting gameplay) that exist but overall this is a good snapshot of how we approach power.2. IF and only if you use their teirs then Gsky and JKL ar in the same their so it's valid that one can beat the other.3. Gsky is an Epic confrontation character, the second-highest rating for an unlock, below that are hero/villain journeys. Thus in my opinion it's logical that a Gsky team could beat a JKL team better.3.5 plus you said it was a damaged Gsky meaning preloaded TM, without seeing what it was it's even more likely that he could beat JKL from that TM advantage alone

"flux_rono;c-2339065" wrote:1. and honestly the most important thing what CG said for tiers is a snapshot but not an exact layout. don't just reference it for any "this unit is beating that person" To be clear, this certainly does not hold universally true for all units but is a rough rubric we can use to discuss this topic in more detail. There are many exceptions to the rules (in the name of fun and interesting gameplay) that exist but overall this is a good snapshot of how we approach power.2. IF and only if you use their teirs then Gsky and JKL ar in the same their so it's valid that one can beat the other.3. Gsky is an Epic confrontation character, the second-highest rating for an unlock, below that are hero/villain journeys. Thus in my opinion it's logical that a Gsky team could beat a JKL team better.3.5 plus you said it was a damaged Gsky meaning preloaded TM, without seeing what it was it's even more likely that he could beat JKL from that TM advantage aloneI know they’re the same tier; I’m not saying GAS shouldn’t be able to beat JKL. But rather they should be able to beat each other, at least. Since JKL has much higher requirements and takes longer to farm for them.

"SemiGod;c-2339062" wrote:"Arrebevol_990;d-253987" wrote:Didn’t CG say characters with lower requirements aren’t intended to outdo those higher,they said that but if u look at our good ol’ pal, Lord Failure, you’ll see that their intentions don’t generally match with the game itself.That’s fair. But it’s so unfortunate when it went from being the hardest hitter in the game capable of taking down any non-gl squads to fare terribly against GAS without unlocking another character to help him with (JKR/JML) just to beat him, whereas LV was never that superb (compared to JMK & JML).

Is it intended that JKL (without JKR) struggle so much against GAS nowadays?

111Deep
3 years ago
"Arrebevol_990;d-253987" wrote:
Didn’t CG say characters with lower requirements aren’t intended to outdo those higher,

they said that but if u look at our good ol’ pal, Lord Failure, you’ll see that their intentions don’t generally match with the game itself.
TargetEadu
3 years ago
GAS + 501st got a really strong buff in the Great Nerf. JKL, not so much.
theXrono
Seasoned Scout
3 years ago
1. and honestly the most important thing what CG said for tiers is a snapshot but not an exact layout. don't just reference it for any "this unit is beating that person"
To be clear, this certainly does not hold universally true for all units but is a rough rubric we can use to discuss this topic in more detail. There are many exceptions to the rules (in the name of fun and interesting gameplay) that exist but overall this is a good snapshot of how we approach power.

2. IF and only if you use their teirs then Gsky and JKL ar in the same their so it's valid that one can beat the other.

3. Gsky is an Epic confrontation character, the second-highest rating for an unlock, below that are hero/villain journeys. Thus in my opinion it's logical that a Gsky team could beat a JKL team better.
3.5 plus you said it was a damaged Gsky meaning preloaded TM, without seeing what it was it's even more likely that he could beat JKL from that TM advantage alone
stevenfarrel
3 years ago
"flux_rono;c-2339065" wrote:
1. and honestly the most important thing what CG said for tiers is a snapshot but not an exact layout. don't just reference it for any "this unit is beating that person"
To be clear, this certainly does not hold universally true for all units but is a rough rubric we can use to discuss this topic in more detail. There are many exceptions to the rules (in the name of fun and interesting gameplay) that exist but overall this is a good snapshot of how we approach power.

2. IF and only if you use their teirs then Gsky and JKL ar in the same their so it's valid that one can beat the other.

3. Gsky is an Epic confrontation character, the second-highest rating for an unlock, below that are hero/villain journeys. Thus in my opinion it's logical that a Gsky team could beat a JKL team better.
3.5 plus you said it was a damaged Gsky meaning preloaded TM, without seeing what it was it's even more likely that he could beat JKL from that TM advantage alone

I know they’re the same tier; I’m not saying GAS shouldn’t be able to beat JKL. But rather they should be able to beat each other, at least. Since JKL has much higher requirements and takes longer to farm for them.
stevenfarrel
3 years ago
"SemiGod;c-2339062" wrote:
"Arrebevol_990;d-253987" wrote:
Didn’t CG say characters with lower requirements aren’t intended to outdo those higher,

they said that but if u look at our good ol’ pal, Lord Failure, you’ll see that their intentions don’t generally match with the game itself.

That’s fair. But it’s so unfortunate when it went from being the hardest hitter in the game capable of taking down any non-gl squads to fare terribly against GAS without unlocking another character to help him with (JKR/JML) just to beat him, whereas LV was never that superb (compared to JMK & JML).
cirby34
3 years ago
Who’s your daddy….
Xcien
3 years ago
"24_Tuesdays;c-2339086" wrote:
Gsky is what

Gsky is short for General Skywalker (also called GAS).
JonnySiniwali
3 years ago
GAS can counter several GLs... Not sure if this is intended, but I don't see a journey character 2 manning the 501st anymore.
Xcien
3 years ago
"24_Tuesdays;c-2339209" wrote:
Gsky is what]
"Xcien;c-2339203" wrote:
"24_Tuesdays;c-2339086" wrote:
Gsky is what

Gsky is short for General Skywalker (also called GAS).

GAS is fine

Gsky is terrible and that's probably why ive never seen it

It’s less popular, like GLOW for JMK, and is arguably worse, but some people do use Gsky instead of GAS.
theXrono
Seasoned Scout
3 years ago
"Xcien;c-2339223" wrote:
"24_Tuesdays;c-2339209" wrote:
Gsky is what]
"Xcien;c-2339203" wrote:
"24_Tuesdays;c-2339086" wrote:
Gsky is what

Gsky is short for General Skywalker (also called GAS).

GAS is fine

Gsky is terrible and that's probably why ive never seen it

It’s less popular, like GLOW for JMK, and is arguably worse, but some people do use Gsky instead of GAS.

I use it because it's his actual name in-game, General SKYwalker, not General Anakin Skywalker. just like how General Kenobi is called GK for short and not GOBK.