Ok, I need this settled--how does it work when potency and tenacity stats go above 100%? I know that 100% potency is supposed to make you land the debuff every time, except that there's an irreducible 15% chance of it being resisted (even if the enemy has 0% tenacity, there's always a 15% chance of resist). And 100% tenacity is supposed to make it impossible to be debuffed (except, again, I think there's a 15% chance?). But as if that isn't complicated enough...What happens when the stats are over 100%? Say I have 150% potency and my enemy has 110% tenacity? Do I have an 15%(100-85) chance to apply the debuff, or do I have a 40%(150-110) chance, or is it something else? Can someone please break down, in detail, how the math works out when the values are over 100%? Because I want to know if it's worth it to mod a toon past 100% potency. Do I just get my debuffers to 100% and call it a day? Or do I need to mod to say 200%, so that I can still debuff toons with 100% tenacity?This is all very confusing, and I'd appreciate a breakdown, thanks. :)

Your 150% potency to his 110% equals you have a 85% chance to land it. His only hope is that 15%.Flip the tables around and say he has 150% and you have 110%. This equates to him having a 40% to resist and you have a 60% to land debuff.

Have you ever eaten 110% of a pizza before?

"Yerff_Caasi;d-206188" wrote:Ok, I need this settled--how does it work when potency and tenacity stats go above 100%? I know that 100% potency is supposed to make you land the debuff every time, except that there's an irreducible 15% chance of it being resisted (even if the enemy has 0% tenacity, there's always a 15% chance of resist). And 100% tenacity is supposed to make it impossible to be debuffed (except, again, I think there's a 15% chance?). But as if that isn't complicated enough...What happens when the stats are over 100%? Say I have 150% potency and my enemy has 110% tenacity? Do I have an 15%(100-85) chance to apply the debuff, or do I have a 40%(150-110) chance, or is it something else? Can someone please break down, in detail, how the math works out when the values are over 100%? Because I want to know if it's worth it to mod a toon past 100% potency. Do I just get my debuffers to 100% and call it a day? Or do I need to mod to say 200%, so that I can still debuff toons with 100% tenacity?This is all very confusing, and I'd appreciate a breakdown, thanks. :)potency is just a way to mitigate the effect of tenacity. Tenacity is there to decrease the chance of getting debuffed.So basically potency does NOT increase the chance to debuff, it just decreases the chance you'll be resisted. If there's no tenacity that increases the chances of being resisted, potency does nothing. There's no difference in the chance to debuff between 0% potency and 200% potency, unless there's tenacity to be countered. Hopefully that makes sense and hopefully the formula used makes more sense once you're looking at it that way.tenacity (increases the chance to resist) - potency (mitigates the effect of tenacity) = chance to resistThere's always a 15% base minimum chance to resist a debuff, but there's no base minimum chance to debuff.It doesn't matter if the toons have 1010% vs 1050% or 10% vs 50%, the chance to debuff/resist remains the same.

^ 7/10all points earned by quoting a comment with a gazillion images 3 times in 1 response without removing the images. That's some advanced forumming right there. Scroll you peasants!

"Yerff_Caasi;d-206188" wrote:Ok, I need this settled--how does it work when potency and tenacity stats go above 100%? I know that 100% potency is supposed to make you land the debuff every time, except that there's an irreducible 15% chance of it being resisted (even if the enemy has 0% tenacity, there's always a 15% chance of resist). And 100% tenacity is supposed to make it impossible to be debuffed (except, again, I think there's a 15% chance?).That's not correct. What matters is the difference between the potency of the source of the debuff and the tenacity og the target. 100% guarantees nothing.There's a 15% base minimum chance to resist, but no base chance for the debuff to stick.

Is it worth it to go past 100% potency?

Crazygone1
6 years ago
Your 150% potency to his 110% equals you have a 85% chance to land it. His only hope is that 15%.

Flip the tables around and say he has 150% and you have 110%. This equates to him having a 40% to resist and you have a 60% to land debuff.
DINYASKYWALKER
6 years ago
Have you ever eaten 110% of a pizza before?
emvedebe
6 years ago
"Yerff_Caasi;d-206188" wrote:
Ok, I need this settled--how does it work when potency and tenacity stats go above 100%? I know that 100% potency is supposed to make you land the debuff every time, except that there's an irreducible 15% chance of it being resisted (even if the enemy has 0% tenacity, there's always a 15% chance of resist). And 100% tenacity is supposed to make it impossible to be debuffed (except, again, I think there's a 15% chance?). But as if that isn't complicated enough...
What happens when the stats are over 100%? Say I have 150% potency and my enemy has 110% tenacity? Do I have an 15%(100-85) chance to apply the debuff, or do I have a 40%(150-110) chance, or is it something else?
Can someone please break down, in detail, how the math works out when the values are over 100%? Because I want to know if it's worth it to mod a toon past 100% potency. Do I just get my debuffers to 100% and call it a day? Or do I need to mod to say 200%, so that I can still debuff toons with 100% tenacity?
This is all very confusing, and I'd appreciate a breakdown, thanks. :)

potency is just a way to mitigate the effect of tenacity. Tenacity is there to decrease the chance of getting debuffed.
So basically potency does NOT increase the chance to debuff, it just decreases the chance you'll be resisted. If there's no tenacity that increases the chances of being resisted, potency does nothing. There's no difference in the chance to debuff between 0% potency and 200% potency, unless there's tenacity to be countered.
Hopefully that makes sense and hopefully the formula used makes more sense once you're looking at it that way.
tenacity (increases the chance to resist) - potency (mitigates the effect of tenacity) = chance to resist
There's always a 15% base minimum chance to resist a debuff, but there's no base minimum chance to debuff.
It doesn't matter if the toons have 1010% vs 1050% or 10% vs 50%, the chance to debuff/resist remains the same.
emvedebe
6 years ago
^ 7/10
all points earned by quoting a comment with a gazillion images 3 times in 1 response without removing the images. That's some advanced forumming right there. Scroll you peasants!
Waquira
6 years ago
"Yerff_Caasi;d-206188" wrote:
Ok, I need this settled--how does it work when potency and tenacity stats go above 100%? I know that 100% potency is supposed to make you land the debuff every time, except that there's an irreducible 15% chance of it being resisted (even if the enemy has 0% tenacity, there's always a 15% chance of resist). And 100% tenacity is supposed to make it impossible to be debuffed (except, again, I think there's a 15% chance?).

That's not correct. What matters is the difference between the potency of the source of the debuff and the tenacity og the target. 100% guarantees nothing.

There's a 15% base minimum chance to resist, but no base chance for the debuff to stick.
dogheadmike
6 years ago
Got me intrigued, so it's worth it for the enemies that bulk up their tenacity and keeping it at 15% chance to fail? Also I guess that would mean (if possible) 185% max potency to bother for anyone that has (if possible) 200% tenacity
MosJuzz
6 years ago
First check -》
Probability to get the debuff going:
Depends on attackers ability. Will multiply second check

Second check -》
Probability to not get debuffed:

2% from evasion
+
98%*15% minimum resist
=
16.7% (a bit more than 1 out of 6)

If cannot be evaded, then 15%
If cannot be resisted, then 2%
If target is immune, then 100%

Tenacity - Potency can get the minimum 15% higher

Conclusions:
Mean tenacity before mods of g12+5 is 39.45% and mean potency is 38.24% which means they almost nullify each other (not counting bonuses from abilities).

So for the average attacker against the average defender, more than +115% is ost probably going to be wasted.

Notes:
Attack (damage) and debuff have separate evasion tests. Easiest example to see it is with a team of C-3PO and 4 ewoks. The basic attack of ewok misses but the expose goes through.
kiel9009
6 years ago
"Juzz;c-1884929" wrote:
First check -》
Probability to get the debuff going:
Depends on attackers ability. Will multiply second check

Second check -》
Probability to not get debuffed:

2% from evasion
+
98%*15% minimum resist
=
16.7% (a bit more than 1 out of 6)

If cannot be evaded, then 15%
If cannot be resisted, then 2%
If target is immune, then 100%

Tenacity - Potency can get the minimum 15% higher

Conclusions:
Mean tenacity before mods of g12+5 is 39.45% and mean potency is 38.24% which means they almost nullify each other (not counting bonuses from abilities).

So for the average attacker against the average defender, more than +115% is ost probably going to be wasted.

Notes:
Attack (damage) and debuff have separate evasion tests. Easiest example to see it is with a team of C-3PO and 4 ewoks. The basic attack of ewok misses but the expose goes through.

I didn't understand anything.. did you even take the OP's stats into this math?
Kisakee
6 years ago
Potency and Tenacity cancel each other out. So if you have 200% Potency and your opponent 150% Tenacity you have a 100% chance of landing the debuff. Additional there is a 15% chance that the debuff will fail, regardless of stat values. These 15% can't be negated in any way so even with a 100% chance in math it can miss, that's the RNG factor.

Edit: math correction
kiel9009
6 years ago
So after the potency-tenacity calculation, if the result is landing a debuff, there is still one more check for this 15% of resisting debuff, right?