First off let me start by saying I HATE the mod system... I find it hard to understand what is a good mod and what mods suck... When I get a mod it can have anywhere from 3 base speed secondary to 6 base speed secondary and that is mainly the only stat I pay attention to... I farm mods all the time and it is hard for me to understand what a good mod is... when I have the game auto mod my toons it does something totally off the wall and I wish I could understand the whole system better. Add to the fact that People are making programs that access the game and rearrange all your mods with the click of a button and CG is doing nothing to stop these programs or even acknowledge them. What some call a quality of life improvement, I call a ToS violation. Why can CG not make a system to help us with all this and not leave it to handing your account over to a 3rd party and have them go in and mod your toons for you... or have a program store your mod setups with one easy click of the button? I work over 70 hours a week and play this game on the go.... I don't want to spend that down time remodding characters for events then moving mods back before a GAC and TW/TB. This is less like a game and more of a job.

"U235;d-234685" wrote:First off let me start by saying I HATE the mod system... I find it hard to understand what is a good mod and what mods suck... When I get a mod it can have anywhere from 3 base speed secondary to 6 base speed secondary and that is mainly the only stat I pay attention to... I farm mods all the time and it is hard for me to understand what a good mod is... when I have the game auto mod my toons it does something totally off the wall and I wish I could understand the whole system better.It is just you. Like, really just you. Many of us remember the days before mods existed, and that sucked. The ability to do something to your characters to make them better the way you want is the best thing CG ever did. Their auto mod algorithm is garbage. The only thing good about it is the recommended secondary types it tells you to use.

I agree with Mephisto, don’t use the auto mod tool. The in game recommendations, particularly for the primary and secondaries, however are generally good advice.Mod collecting is a funnel. You start out with fairly lax criteria that should get more and more specific over time. Ultimately you are looking for “aligned” mods with good stat rolls; that is to say mods where all 4-5 stats plus the set bonus fit one role (or sometimes a hybrid of two roles) and the value of the stats are toward the high end of what is possible. The more “aligned” the mod, the better it is. The better the stat rolls, the better it is.Alignment would be difficult to set criteria for in game because of the wide variety of characters, but it should be pretty easy to show quality of stat rolls. That would be an interesting QOL update.

"Jarvind;c-2157168" wrote:I'll preface this by saying I don't particularly like mods either. Getting good ones is 100% up to RNG (yes, I know you can buy refreshes to increase your chances, before some wiseass chimes in with that), and in PVP it's very difficult to beat someone who got luckier with mods than you did.One good mod is RNG but a well modded roster is work, farming, sifting developing and assigning to appropriate toons.

"Rath_Tarr;c-2157602" wrote:"Jarvind;c-2157168" wrote:I'll preface this by saying I don't particularly like mods either. Getting good ones is 100% up to RNG (yes, I know you can buy refreshes to increase your chances, before some wiseass chimes in with that), and in PVP it's very difficult to beat someone who got luckier with mods than you did.One good mod is RNG but a well modded roster is work, farming, sifting developing and assigning to appropriate toons.When I see someone with 125+ speed secondaries set while I didn't get a single 25+speed mod for several years of playing it's not about "work, farming, ...", etc. It's simple and pure luck. I mean yes, people who understand how mods work and how mod farming and slicing works will have huge advantage over those who don't understand. But among this people, due to extreme importance of speed and extremely low probability of getting exceptional speed mods, will be players who are lucky and who are not. And sometimes it's all what matters (you either faster than your opponent or lose). Yes, there is rng components in other aspects of the game. But mods is the one where several lucky rolls can give permanent advantage. Hopefully the game seems to be shifting away from single meta without counters on the squad side, so now this isn't that big problem as it was before. Well, at least until we get another pure speed meta. :)

"Hortus;c-2157608" wrote:"Rath_Tarr;c-2157602" wrote:"Jarvind;c-2157168" wrote:I'll preface this by saying I don't particularly like mods either. Getting good ones is 100% up to RNG (yes, I know you can buy refreshes to increase your chances, before some wiseass chimes in with that), and in PVP it's very difficult to beat someone who got luckier with mods than you did.One good mod is RNG but a well modded roster is work, farming, sifting developing and assigning to appropriate toons.When I see someone with 125+ speed secondaries set while I didn't get a single 25+speed mod for several years of playing it's not about "work, farming, ...", etc. It's simple and pure luck. I mean yes, people who understand how mods work and how mod farming and slicing works will have huge advantage over those who don't understand. But among this people, due to extreme importance of speed and extremely low probability of getting exceptional speed mods, will be players who are lucky and who are not. And sometimes it's all what matters (you either faster than your opponent or lose). Yes, there is rng components in other aspects of the game. But mods is the one where several lucky rolls can give permanent advantage. Hopefully the game seems to be shifting away from single meta without counters on the squad side, so now this isn't that big problem as it was before. Well, at least until we get another pure speed meta. :)Have you been refreshing mod energy every single day since it was introduced, without fail? Do you make good choices about what mods to slice? Do you win your GAC rounds so you don't have to farm those slicing mats?Mods are about more than RNG. They are about attempts.

Is the mod system broken or is it just me?

Mephisto_style
5 years ago
"U235;d-234685" wrote:
First off let me start by saying I HATE the mod system... I find it hard to understand what is a good mod and what mods suck... When I get a mod it can have anywhere from 3 base speed secondary to 6 base speed secondary and that is mainly the only stat I pay attention to... I farm mods all the time and it is hard for me to understand what a good mod is... when I have the game auto mod my toons it does something totally off the wall and I wish I could understand the whole system better.

It is just you. Like, really just you. Many of us remember the days before mods existed, and that sucked. The ability to do something to your characters to make them better the way you want is the best thing CG ever did.

Their auto mod algorithm is garbage. The only thing good about it is the recommended secondary types it tells you to use.
Player_170mte2j
5 years ago
I agree with Mephisto, don’t use the auto mod tool. The in game recommendations, particularly for the primary and secondaries, however are generally good advice.

Mod collecting is a funnel. You start out with fairly lax criteria that should get more and more specific over time. Ultimately you are looking for “aligned” mods with good stat rolls; that is to say mods where all 4-5 stats plus the set bonus fit one role (or sometimes a hybrid of two roles) and the value of the stats are toward the high end of what is possible. The more “aligned” the mod, the better it is. The better the stat rolls, the better it is.

Alignment would be difficult to set criteria for in game because of the wide variety of characters, but it should be pretty easy to show quality of stat rolls. That would be an interesting QOL update.
Rath_Tarr0
5 years ago
"Jarvind;c-2157168" wrote:
I'll preface this by saying I don't particularly like mods either. Getting good ones is 100% up to RNG (yes, I know you can buy refreshes to increase your chances, before some wiseass chimes in with that), and in PVP it's very difficult to beat someone who got luckier with mods than you did.

One good mod is RNG but a well modded roster is work, farming, sifting developing and assigning to appropriate toons.
ildarz
5 years ago
"Rath_Tarr;c-2157602" wrote:
"Jarvind;c-2157168" wrote:
I'll preface this by saying I don't particularly like mods either. Getting good ones is 100% up to RNG (yes, I know you can buy refreshes to increase your chances, before some wiseass chimes in with that), and in PVP it's very difficult to beat someone who got luckier with mods than you did.

One good mod is RNG but a well modded roster is work, farming, sifting developing and assigning to appropriate toons.

When I see someone with 125+ speed secondaries set while I didn't get a single 25+speed mod for several years of playing it's not about "work, farming, ...", etc. It's simple and pure luck. I mean yes, people who understand how mods work and how mod farming and slicing works will have huge advantage over those who don't understand. But among this people, due to extreme importance of speed and extremely low probability of getting exceptional speed mods, will be players who are lucky and who are not. And sometimes it's all what matters (you either faster than your opponent or lose).

Yes, there is rng components in other aspects of the game. But mods is the one where several lucky rolls can give permanent advantage. Hopefully the game seems to be shifting away from single meta without counters on the squad side, so now this isn't that big problem as it was before. Well, at least until we get another pure speed meta. :)
tvsfrink
5 years ago
"Hortus;c-2157608" wrote:
"Rath_Tarr;c-2157602" wrote:
"Jarvind;c-2157168" wrote:
I'll preface this by saying I don't particularly like mods either. Getting good ones is 100% up to RNG (yes, I know you can buy refreshes to increase your chances, before some wiseass chimes in with that), and in PVP it's very difficult to beat someone who got luckier with mods than you did.

One good mod is RNG but a well modded roster is work, farming, sifting developing and assigning to appropriate toons.

When I see someone with 125+ speed secondaries set while I didn't get a single 25+speed mod for several years of playing it's not about "work, farming, ...", etc. It's simple and pure luck. I mean yes, people who understand how mods work and how mod farming and slicing works will have huge advantage over those who don't understand. But among this people, due to extreme importance of speed and extremely low probability of getting exceptional speed mods, will be players who are lucky and who are not. And sometimes it's all what matters (you either faster than your opponent or lose).

Yes, there is rng components in other aspects of the game. But mods is the one where several lucky rolls can give permanent advantage. Hopefully the game seems to be shifting away from single meta without counters on the squad side, so now this isn't that big problem as it was before. Well, at least until we get another pure speed meta. :)

Have you been refreshing mod energy every single day since it was introduced, without fail? Do you make good choices about what mods to slice? Do you win your GAC rounds so you don't have to farm those slicing mats?

Mods are about more than RNG. They are about attempts.
tvsfrink
5 years ago
Ok but that ignores the point that the best mod collections aren't obtained via just RNG.
ildarz
5 years ago
"TVF;c-2157665" wrote:
"Hortus;c-2157608" wrote:
"Rath_Tarr;c-2157602" wrote:
"Jarvind;c-2157168" wrote:
I'll preface this by saying I don't particularly like mods either. Getting good ones is 100% up to RNG (yes, I know you can buy refreshes to increase your chances, before some wiseass chimes in with that), and in PVP it's very difficult to beat someone who got luckier with mods than you did.

One good mod is RNG but a well modded roster is work, farming, sifting developing and assigning to appropriate toons.

When I see someone with 125+ speed secondaries set while I didn't get a single 25+speed mod for several years of playing it's not about "work, farming, ...", etc. It's simple and pure luck. I mean yes, people who understand how mods work and how mod farming and slicing works will have huge advantage over those who don't understand. But among this people, due to extreme importance of speed and extremely low probability of getting exceptional speed mods, will be players who are lucky and who are not. And sometimes it's all what matters (you either faster than your opponent or lose).

Yes, there is rng components in other aspects of the game. But mods is the one where several lucky rolls can give permanent advantage. Hopefully the game seems to be shifting away from single meta without counters on the squad side, so now this isn't that big problem as it was before. Well, at least until we get another pure speed meta. :)

Have you been refreshing mod energy every single day since it was introduced, without fail? Do you make good choices about what mods to slice? Do you win your GAC rounds so you don't have to farm those slicing mats?

Mods are about more than RNG. They are about attempts.

Mod collections on the entire roster are about attempts, for sure. Fastest mod sets on key characters is about RNG - attempts help but guarantee nothing due to extremely low probability of rolling very high speed mods.

And yes, I do almost all those things except sometimes don't refresh mods energy. Let's say I even double or triple my mods income by refreshing, would I receive more 25+ speed mods in the next year? Maybe, if I'll be more lucky than before. Or maybe not - I didn't got it in thousands of previous attempts and there is same probability I won't get it in next thousands. But of course, I will receive my zero 25+ mods 2 or 3 times faster. :) And that's will improve my entire collection greatly with not exceptional but still very good mods.

Btw, actually I don't think it's the bad thing, the mod system is fine imho. The real problem is extreme importance of speed, but again, looks like developers realized this and all metas after DR aren't that speed dependent.
tvsfrink
5 years ago
You still have a better chance of getting a +25 speed mod if you make more attempts at doing so.

Meanwhile you will absolutely get more +15, and probably more +20 too.

"Sometimes don't refresh mods energy" means I get more attempts than you, because I never miss a day. And I have more chances to get better mods as a result.
Vaderizer
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
"Aandien;c-2157672" wrote:
Most people don't have 150 crystals to spend every day on mod refresh. Those that stay near the top of one or both of their arena shards have a significant advantage compared to those that don't. And there 19900 players without this advantage to the 100 that have it.

I mean realistically, huge swaths of any arena shard are going to be full of inactive accounts and people who only fire up the game a couple times a week, so the pool of players competing for top spots is much smaller than that.

If you do your daily activities that's like 100 crystals right there. 50 crystals from squad shouldn't be too difficult to cover the difference. Personally I've been very lucky with my fleet shard, so it's super easy (barely an inconvenience) to hit 1st, but I have to imagine with a little focus, top 50 for another 50 crystals wouldn't be that difficult in most shards.

As for people at the top having an advantage, like...yeah, doy. That's the whole point of gunning for the top spots.
Buyabha
5 years ago
sounds like OP spends a lot of money on the game, and expects to win all his matches based of that alone. If anything thats supports the argument that mods are absolutely working great since throwing money alone is not enough