OK, could be controversial... but is the recent JMK buff good or bad?I suppose its good if the goal is to differentiate the 'New GLs' (JMK & LV) from the original 4 (Rey, SLKR, SEE & JML)....But, and I suspect it'll be the same with LV, it is stretching out the power... and belittling the time & investment made into the original 4 GLs.For me... it's the variety of counters. I fundamentally disagreed with the non-GL nerfs, and struggle to accept it was solely for game balance.However, the JMK was already brutally strong... and counters vs JMK prior to his buff were not 'hard counters'.For me, it's tweaking the new shiny teams too much, and watering down characters that have been built over a period of time.It's the same with Executor... it was never really easy to beat unless heavy relics were invested into a team.... but it was buffed anyways.....I can only hope that this is not a glimpse of what's to come.... but I suspect it is....I tend to be an optimist, but the recent direction choices of the game have been away from fun, and to grindy game that is really is taking too much time to play.I'm sure there'll be a response saying 'but you haven't considered X, Y or Z...' .... but if you sit and think about it in the cold light of day, you know what I'm saying is the truth.

Yup. The JMK update utterly disrespects the time, effort and money players invested in assembling the counters that have been negated. Not because new=better… that’s necessary for the sense of progress customers need and which drives revenue. It’s because purchases were made based on a value. That value was taken away. This strikes at the very heart of why we play and spend… the sense of progress. Why make future investments/purchases, involving months of effort, when it is clear CG feels they can just take away that value at any time?

"Winterwolves;c-2298070" wrote:People complain when they nerf other toons to stop counters. Some say "just buff the toon to stop the counter".People complain when they buff a toon to stop counters.Toons go out of use. Looks like even GLs do. Except you can still use them to beat up any non GL.This isn't as simple as complaining about buffing or nerfing. They buffed the most powerful character in the game. He was already dominating arena. Now he's invincible on defense too. That's not healthy for the game.It's the combination of all of the recent changes adding up. Yes, the game is for-profit, but the recent profit-squeezing changes are not a good thing.

"Winterwolves;c-2298070" wrote:Toons go out of use. Looks like even GLs do. Except you can still use them to beat up any non GL.Whoop-de-doo. You know what also beats non GLs? Prepare to have your mind blown...Other non-GLs. Ones that don't require a dozen plus often mostly useless characters to be upgraded to get them.

"TVF;c-2298263" wrote:"DathEliza;c-2298239" wrote:"Winterwolves;c-2298070" wrote:People complain when they nerf other toons to stop counters. Some say "just buff the toon to stop the counter".People complain when they buff a toon to stop counters.Toons go out of use. Looks like even GLs do. Except you can still use them to beat up any non GL.This isn't as simple as complaining about buffing or nerfing. They buffed the most powerful character in the game. He was already dominating arena. Now he's invincible on defense too. That's not healthy for the game.1) He's not invincible on D2) Every meta up until Rey/SLKR says hi... Yeah... he's not invincible, but the latest buff to JMK has made him pretty close to it.... any non-JMK counters have been either crippled (SLKR & SEE) or turned into an rng fest soft-counter (JML).My issue is not necessarily them being weaker... it's that all 4 of SEE, SLKR, Rey & JML have been marginalised by the new GLs despite:1: We have been told GLs would be of equitable power levels ... ?... compare JMK & LV to the 4 original GLs We were sold a diverse group of meta toons, when all that has been introduced is a new tier of characters (for Rey, SLKR, SEE & JMK)... and now, they're being superceded by the new GLs... that's just not right.2: The investment of gear & characters for all of the GLs are steep... I agree JMK & LV are steeper... but the requirements for the other 4 GLs (particularly JML) are not exactly chump change.... and yeah, I can only say that the lack of 'achilles heel' for JMK (& Executor) is beyond frustrating. Following the 'Great nerf of 2021' & further buffs to JMK & Executor is creating a lack of diversity in the game & making battles more bland... or should I say more beige.

Note: I'm trying to climb in arena, with a 4GL 7.1m GP account.... ridiculous that JMK's buff is so excessive.

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DHammond1973
Seasoned Newcomer
4 years ago
Yup. The JMK update utterly disrespects the time, effort and money players invested in assembling the counters that have been negated. Not because new=better… that’s necessary for the sense of progress customers need and which drives revenue. It’s because purchases were made based on a value. That value was taken away. This strikes at the very heart of why we play and spend… the sense of progress. Why make future investments/purchases, involving months of effort, when it is clear CG feels they can just take away that value at any time?
DathEliza
New Novice
4 years ago
"Winterwolves;c-2298070" wrote:
People complain when they nerf other toons to stop counters. Some say "just buff the toon to stop the counter".

People complain when they buff a toon to stop counters.

Toons go out of use. Looks like even GLs do. Except you can still use them to beat up any non GL.

This isn't as simple as complaining about buffing or nerfing. They buffed the most powerful character in the game. He was already dominating arena. Now he's invincible on defense too. That's not healthy for the game.

It's the combination of all of the recent changes adding up. Yes, the game is for-profit, but the recent profit-squeezing changes are not a good thing.
DathEliza
New Novice
4 years ago
"Winterwolves;c-2298070" wrote:

Toons go out of use. Looks like even GLs do. Except you can still use them to beat up any non GL.

Whoop-de-doo. You know what also beats non GLs? Prepare to have your mind blown...

Other non-GLs. Ones that don't require a dozen plus often mostly useless characters to be upgraded to get them.
Gavsta3
Rising Novice
4 years ago
"TVF;c-2298263" wrote:
"DathEliza;c-2298239" wrote:
"Winterwolves;c-2298070" wrote:
People complain when they nerf other toons to stop counters. Some say "just buff the toon to stop the counter".

People complain when they buff a toon to stop counters.

Toons go out of use. Looks like even GLs do. Except you can still use them to beat up any non GL.

This isn't as simple as complaining about buffing or nerfing. They buffed the most powerful character in the game. He was already dominating arena. Now he's invincible on defense too. That's not healthy for the game.

1) He's not invincible on D
2) Every meta up until Rey/SLKR says hi

... Yeah... he's not invincible, but the latest buff to JMK has made him pretty close to it.... any non-JMK counters have been either crippled (SLKR & SEE) or turned into an rng fest soft-counter (JML).
My issue is not necessarily them being weaker... it's that all 4 of SEE, SLKR, Rey & JML have been marginalised by the new GLs despite:
1: We have been told GLs would be of equitable power levels ... ?... compare JMK & LV to the 4 original GLs
We were sold a diverse group of meta toons, when all that has been introduced is a new tier of characters (for Rey, SLKR, SEE & JMK)... and now, they're being superceded by the new GLs... that's just not right.
2: The investment of gear & characters for all of the GLs are steep... I agree JMK & LV are steeper... but the requirements for the other 4 GLs (particularly JML) are not exactly chump change.

... and yeah, I can only say that the lack of 'achilles heel' for JMK (& Executor) is beyond frustrating. Following the 'Great nerf of 2021' & further buffs to JMK & Executor is creating a lack of diversity in the game & making battles more bland... or should I say more beige.
Gavsta3
Rising Novice
4 years ago
Note: I'm trying to climb in arena, with a 4GL 7.1m GP account.... ridiculous that JMK's buff is so excessive.
Gavsta3
Rising Novice
4 years ago
"TVF;c-2298491" wrote:
"Gavsta;c-2298479" wrote:
Note: I'm trying to climb in arena, with a 4GL 7.1m GP account.... ridiculous that JMK's buff is so excessive.

Sorry, no. This is how it should be. Get the new thing or accept lower arena placement.

I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Julian_Sixty_Si
4 years ago
"TVF;c-2298491" wrote:
"Gavsta;c-2298479" wrote:
Note: I'm trying to climb in arena, with a 4GL 7.1m GP account.... ridiculous that JMK's buff is so excessive.

Sorry, no. This is how it should be. Get the new thing or accept lower arena placement.

If arena were the only game mode you might have a point, but its still debatable. Taking away SLKR counter is horrible for GAC. There's no reason why you can't put together a counter at the cost of other squads. Just putting JMK on auto-wall makes it all less interesting. And i hope the JMK holders are having fun playing mirrors TFN in daily.
tvsfrink
4 years ago
Value is always taken away, this should have been the case at the start. Be glad you got this long.
clarencetomas
New Spectator
4 years ago
The buffs to GLs vs non-GLs protects the old GLs from otherwise lost value. The old GLs are old. And Executor fleet wasn't designed well and still isn't totally fixed tbh (mirrors just look idiotic).
Xellius13
Rising Newcomer
4 years ago
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